:Title: Help Choose Two omidyar.net Members to Attend NetSquared :Author: Haney Armstrong (CCAL30) :Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 21:00:26 PDT :Modified: Fri, 18 May 2007 14:01:10 PDT :URL: http://www.omidyar.net/group/community-general/news/1863/ UPDATE: **Congratulations to Julie Caldwell and Jean Russell - who received the most votes in** `the poll`_ **and were selected for free registration to the netSquared conference.** .. _`the poll` : /group/community-general/poll/40/results ------------ The `NetSquared Conference`_, running **May 29 and 30**, 2007 in San Jose, CA will bring together nonprofits, tech practitioners, innovators, philanthropists and visionaries to bring `21 promising projects`_ to the next level in social benefit. The NetSquared/omidyar.net connection ------------------ Many omidyar.net members were `very active`_ in the process of nominating and selecting the projects going to NetSquared. Inspired by this engagement, Omidyar Network has become one of the sponsors of this year’s conference and in doing so we can provide **free registration for two omidyar.net members. The omidyar.net community will vote select the two from a list of members who apply.** Here’s how to participate: --------- - **Apply**: If you’d like to be considered for free registration then **post to this thread** and explain what you might be able to `contribute`_ to the process of accelerating the development of the selected projects. **Apply by noon Pacific time on May 16.** - **Discuss**: Members can post to the thread with endorsements or questions. - **Select**: Haney will create a poll on the afternoon of May 16th with the names of everyone who applied. The poll will run for two days. Members may vote for one or two applicants. Additional rules ----------- - The winners will receive free registration to the conference. There is no support for travel, hotel, etc. - Applicants must have joined omidyar.net before May 9, 2007. - Please only apply if you can attend for the complete conference. - If two applicants tie, then the applicant with the earlier "member since:" date will win. .. _`NetSquared Conference` : http://www.netsquared.org/2007/conference .. _`very active` : /group/community-general/news/1821/ .. _`21 promising projects` : http://www.netsquared.org/projects/n2y2-featured-projects .. _`contribute` : http://www.netsquared.org/2007/conference/signup ---- **Comments** :Author: Peter Rees :Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 21:34:03 PDT Sounds very promising ---- :Author: Haney Armstrong (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 09:29:19 PDT I forgot to point out what a great opportunity this is to meet and work with many important, creative people. Thomas and I will also be there. ---- :Author: Jean Russell (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 11:24:37 PDT I would be interested in applying, but I noticed that there is no support for travel. I can get a place to stay, but I can't afford the airfare right now. I think I would be very useful at the event for helping put people together, encouraging people to find resources that might not be monetary, supporting gift economy development, mission matching people and orgs. Being my usual nurturegirl self. I also think that it would be good to send me in that I am familiar with a good number of the projects that were posted by onet members, so I can try to be a representative in that way. And of course I would love to see Haney and Thomas. :-) ---- :Author: Peter Rees :Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 11:53:33 PDT :Modified: Wed, 09 May 2007 13:29:42 PDT I'm delighted to support Jean's nomination and I'll add John Berger, Julie Caldwell and Martin Rizzi. Each would add to the richness of the conference. ------------ Taking a cue from Rory's post below ... Mark Grimes would bring significant richness to the conference. [**edit**: punctuation. Added Mark] ---- :Author: John Berger (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 12:17:41 PDT Thanks Peter - I had already made arangements to be there, so I will stay out of this one. I look forward to meeting with the onet team. ---- :Author: David Evan Harris (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 12:18:40 PDT I'd also like to throw my support behind Jean for this one! She's a great connector and a provocative thinker who knows how to ask all the right questions. She would be an incredible asset to the conference, and coming back to ONet afterwards, she'll be an even greater asset to us! I would love to be able to apply myself, but, being located in São Paulo, it's even harder for me to imagine coming up with the airfare than Jean in Chicago. Of course, my parents do live just down the road from Cisco, so I'd certainly have a place to stay:) Oh well, maybe next year... ---- :Author: RicHARD ~The Anointed One~ Makepeace (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 12:53:31 PDT Haney Armstrong said: I forgot to point out what a great opportunity this is to meet and work with many important, creative people. Thomas and I will also be there. Haney, does this mean that you and Thomas are "important, creative people?" Don't get mad, or anything. I mean, I always thought youse guys was "important [and] creative" and ALL, but I didn't know whether YOU thought the same as ME. There are certain planets where thinking the same as ME is outlawed and treated as a dangerous social disease. Is keeping chickens creative, or important? Last *witticism* stolen and abridged from `Men in Black`_. .. _`Men in Black`: http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/72/039_31619~ZZ-Top-Posters.jpg ---- :Author: Rory Turner (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 13:03:34 PDT I think Haney is saying with the grammar that he chose (...will ALSO be there) that he and Thomas are not among those important, creative few. We know that's not true! : ) Jean would be great there. So would Evonne. So would Mark. So would a bunch of you all... ---- :Author: Michael Maranda (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 17:33:35 PDT Let's set up a drop cash and each give a little - then whoever is selected will have some cost absorbed. I'm already planning to be there :) ---- :Author: Michael Maranda (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 18:31:22 PDT or ... if there are funds left in the scholarship fund, I think this would be an appropriate thing to support. where should I raise that question? in any case, we should start taking pledges ;) ---- :Author: Jean Russell (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 18:32:34 PDT I checked airfare. If I drive to Chicago (and that costs me about $40 roundtrip) then I can catch a flight for about $270. I have many places to stay in the Bay area (no cost). Toss me into the pile. I certainly can't afford it right now, but I am willing to move forward with trust in the universe that we can solve that too. I would love to use this to help people like David Harris. And I am honored and humbled by the comments here. Thank you! ---- :Author: Evonne Heyning (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 23:14:10 PDT :Modified: Wed, 09 May 2007 23:31:16 PDT I am considering attending and have been clearing my calendar; not sure but this sounds like the ideal opportunity to participate. I'd like to throw my name in; we already have travel covered and a trip planned to northern California for that week. In full disclosure, I'm also in touch with Britt Bravo @ NetSquared about volunteering services in exchange for participation. Contributions: Working with a handful of media-oriented social ventures represented in the innovation cycle at NetSquared we'd like to open up the process by bringing in video, interactive media and public dialogue through dynamic storytelling. We are collecting short answers in the AMO stream this summer along with various vlogs, blogs and mob2.0 technologies like Twitter and a campaign of related social networking groups. Jean would be the ideal organizer for storytelling and media sharing; she's worked with many conferences in the past to bring these tools to life. I'd also love to see David Evan Harris there if there were any way to make it work; we're looking at good ways to support Global Lives from Second Life to web communities, making use of the AMO space to promote great media projects like GL that keep these stories alive. ---- :Author: Michele -> kids+art+charity (CCAL30) :Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 00:39:59 PDT I wholeheartedly nominate our dear Nurture-Girl! Also delighted to hear that some of our best and brightest are also planning to attend. I know Ted is traveling so we haven't heard from him...if he isn't signed up already...I nominate Ted also. ---- :Author: Anne Marie Bellavance (CCAL30) :Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 06:28:29 PDT :Modified: Thu, 10 May 2007 06:31:38 PDT I requested an invitation and am crossing my fingers waiting for netsquared to respond. I attended and volunteered last year and hope to see you all there!! I was thrilled last year how netsquared gathering was so much more about collaborative social change than technology and these 21 projects are evidence. I am dreaming of attending Netsquared and then heading to `BALLE`_ conference @ UC Berkeley. .. _`BALLE` : http://www.livingeconomies.org/events/conference07/index_html *edit - fixed link* ---- :Author: Michele -> kids+art+charity (CCAL30) :Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 07:39:11 PDT Oh yes, I second your nomination, too, Anne Marie!! :-) ---- :Author: Evonne Heyning (CCAL30) :Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 08:24:47 PDT I would like to see Anne Marie and Jean attend this gathering. ---- :Author: Sebastian Herrera (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:00:37 PDT Jean, do you have the chance to put a paypal link? I believe i'm not the only one who think it is important for those project to receive your support and creativeness. It would be great to help you reaching the 270usd that you need to travel... trust in this universe (your friends at omidyar) and you will be there... :) Jean ~ Nurture Girl ~ Russell said: I checked airfare. If I drive to Chicago (and that costs me about $40 roundtrip) then I can catch a flight for about $270. I have many places to stay in the Bay area (no cost). Toss me into the pile. I certainly can't afford it right now, but I am willing to move forward with trust in the universe that we can solve that too. I would love to use this to help people like David Harris. And I am honored and humbled by the comments here. Thank you! ---- :Author: Michael Maranda (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 19:06:10 PDT We have an open nomination process until the deadline established above, right? So I think we either raise some $ without knowing who we will decide to support, or we wait until we know who is going and needs support and how much, then have them set up the drop cash. I pledge $10 in support of travel/incidentals to each of the two persons selected by this process. ---- :Author: Julie Caldwell (CCAL30) :Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 01:44:57 PDT :Modified: Sun, 13 May 2007 22:37:32 PDT Wow! Thank you Peter for nominating me. I'd love to attend. This is right up `Emerging Futures Network`_, `Network Weavers`_, `OGuild`_'s alley. It hangs on our motto -- what can we do together that we can not do alone. It would strenghen relationships (many already started). .. _`Emerging Futures Network`: http://www.emergingfutures.net .. _`Network Weavers`: http://www.networkweavers.net .. _`OGuild`: http://oguild.org/Main_Page It would be an honor to go on the O.NET team and come back ready to grow the work with other O.netters and beyond. I would also like to attend with Jean, as I would love to spend more time with her, discussing next steps for our work together with EFN. Michael and Ted get to bend her ear alot more (as they all live in Chicago). Netquared is such an exciting event and fits with our next steps of evolution. Thank you Omidyar Network for whomever is selected to attend. San Jose is only a 7 hour drive for me. ---- :Author: Linda ทรัพยากร Nowakowski (CCAL30) :Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 06:25:22 PDT Peter Rees said: Taking a cue from Rory's post below ... Mark Grimes would bring significant richness to the conference. I would third Peter and Rory. ---- :Author: people power GB - chris macrae (CCAL30) :Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 08:00:39 PDT :Modified: Sat, 12 May 2007 08:01:46 PDT I would only vote for someone who aimed to openly and practically connect the deepest projects that lurk somewhere within the 2 communities at onet and netsquared whilst there may be other ways to do this, one that would take a dlegate very little time and no cost would be as follows 1 go to http://www.facebook.com 2 register 3 form group ambassadors connecting most vital projects of netsquared and onet 4 before going to netsquared , tell onet members where this group is bokmarked and print out post-card size instructions to be given to anyone at netsquared whom you talk to who has a deep- project inviting them to join the ambassadors collaboration group between onet and netsquared gee if we made that work; onet could replicate the game at any annual meeting with project networks worth linking into what could possibly go wrong with doing this? ---- :Author: Jean Russell (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 10:01:07 PDT Facebook is a fairly closed system according to what I heard this weekend at barcamp Portland from the online community discussion. I am not sure why this can't happen right here Chris. And I think it is a **great idea** to take some handout on Onet projects. I would be happy to work on creating that document with whoever is attending from onet membership including those already planning to go. ---- :Author: Michele -> kids+art+charity (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 11:55:26 PDT Michael Maranda said: ...I pledge $10 in support of travel/incidentals to each of the two persons selected by this process. I also pledge $10 to each of the two o/net members selected for netsquared. ---- :Author: Christina :Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:46:25 PDT Came here to nominate Evonne. Jean and Annemarie would also be great. Hopefully some of the sidebar arrangements directly with netsquared could work out meaning you'd all get to go :) ---- :Author: people power GB - chris macrae (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 20:26:32 PDT Jean - do you have any idea what your friend meant by closed as an adjective for http://www.facebook.com - my experience is the exact opposite but it certainly needs people to come and be very clear what are the driving projects they want support around I am also quite amazed to see people from some of the biggest change organisations (eg ashoka, ted.com) etc turn up in facebook networks in ways that don't seem to happen in this space It would be interesting to establish some consistent vocabulary around a handful of dimensions that could be used to profile onet, netsquared, facbook, and indeed all networks you all nominate to understand at elast what sorts of crietria we are looking for even if our experiences of different communities varies. I still don't really have a clear feel of why netsquared is thought to be such a bid deal. What's its biggest consequence to date? ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 21:36:32 PDT i heartily support the candidacies of Julie, Annie Maria and our own Nurture Girl! ---- :Author: Julie Caldwell (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 22:45:40 PDT Thank you Martin. One of things I'd like to accomplish if I get to attend is understanding some of the common ground these 21 groups have and what they need to grow together with and for the larger movement. The larger movement, being all of us (individuals, organizations, and systems). What is "it" that they and we (O.netters and beyond O.net participants -- on-line and off-line) can not do alone. That together we can do to grow the network, to accelerate the movement. To me the movement is defined as all of us working together to uplift humanity and heal nature. ---- :Author: Jean Russell (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 01:05:02 PDT Thank you Martin and others for supporting me and/or others you would like to see present. I am not as interested in the 21 groups that won the numbers contest as I am in the groups we have here and how they can be represented at the event. How can I best spread the amazing work that is being done by some of our very own onetters? And what can I do to make connections between people and organizations that support what we do here in more fluid, responsive, and thrivable ways. Chris, my understanding of the different between facebook and onet is that onet doesn't want to own the conversations or restrict the flow of the network. From what I was told, I get the sense that facebook wants to contain/own all the interactions with their community. As for who is there and who is here, I love the high caliber people I interact with here...and I choose people with heart over people with notoriety--hands down. ---- :Author: RicHARD ~The Anointed One~ Makepeace (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 04:37:57 PDT Jean, YOU are so brave and outspoken!! I love that in a humyn be-in! YOU are an event waiting to happen ALL by yourself. Keep on keepin' on! YOU truly exemplify: The Power of One. I think Julie and Jean would make a great pair because THEY are both promoters and connectors in THEIR own way. Teamed up THEY would support and encourage one another's strong points. Why do WE only get two delegates? Because I would absolutely like to see Evonne and Anne Marie going as delegates as well. I think there are enough of US to cover travel, hotels and NetSquare registration. I would throw a coupla dollars into that hopper! Who gets to vote and why? ---- :Author: Michele -> kids+art+charity (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:24:30 PDT Yes! C'mon o/net...how about the GANG of FOUR?! ---- :Author: Julie Caldwell (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 11:16:11 PDT I'd very much like to work with Jean on sharing, engaging and bringing home the exchanges. ---- :Author: Jean Russell (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:04:53 PDT :Modified: Sun, 20 May 2007 15:02:16 PDT Julie, do you consider bringing it home to be *home to onet* or *home to EFN*? I would want the dynamic of the two going to be complementary and not distracting to the purpose. What do we, as a collective, want to achieve by sending representatives of our membership? ---- :Author: Michael Maranda (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 16:14:47 PDT How many nominees are there at present? ---- :Author: Evonne Heyning (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:05:18 PDT I am withdrawing my name here and will be attending as a blogger/vlogger; hope to see many of you there! ---- :Author: Julie Caldwell (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:23:30 PDT :Modified: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:24:30 PDT Jean, we've never really worked together yet. Thought we had a good time together in Blaine, which was as close as we have come to working together in close confines. My home is where I am in the world, as an O.net ambassador I will not only bring it home to O.net but moreover look at how to engage O.netters in what's up. I will also bring it home to Friends of Elko Peace Park (my local home) and to Emerging Futures Network which has 75 O.net members in our group. Emerging Futures Network has a significant commitment to engage O.netters with our recent community favorite awards -- which was given to us to support Network Weavers Network and O Guild. In particular the award was given because of our ability to engage O.netters and people beyond O.net. I've personally brought many newbie's to O.net, incuding Emering Futures back in 2004 -- we had 15 of us that joined O.net the first week after the Chicago 2004 Giving Conference. If you haven't seen much of me for the past couple of months it's because I've been off meditating for world peace and recouperating from giving my all to Friends, of Elko Peace Park, O.Net and Emerging Futures Network. You will learn I am a very loyal girl. And, I bring a different dynamic to the table. Which may or may not work will with you. ---- :Author: marnie webb (CCAL30) :Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 07:33:59 PDT wow! It's terrific and humbling to see the interest y'all have in attending the NetSquared conference. Just wanted to let you know that two of the folks in this thread -- Evonne Heyning and Anne Marie Bellavance -- are already on our list. They both applied via our open process and received invitations. I saw that Evonne mentioned this above. ---- :Author: Jean Russell (CCAL30) :Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:28:29 PDT :Modified: Sun, 20 May 2007 15:04:11 PDT Marnie! That is great news. Thank you so much for sharing that with us. Julie no one I know of questions your loyalty, stamina, persistence, determination, conviction, will to make good things happen, or energetic approach. Hands down girl, you rock in those domains. We have worked together, from my perspective, on Catalytic Communities and on EFN. And, yes, we did have a great time together in Blaine. I am not so opposed to being there with you as I am to people thinking that I might possibly reciprocate your desire for us to share and be together. I cheer you on for what you are doing and have done. I know there is much I can learn from you Julie. ---- :Author: Brian Lewis (CCAL30) :Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:13:25 PDT :Modified: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:24:17 PDT For what it is worth, I will be in the South Bay at that time... edited for the sake of editing ---- :Author: RicHARD ~The Anointed One~ Makepeace (CCAL30) :Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:54:14 PDT Jean, I am not going to give your post points, but I am going to openly applaud your courage and transparency again. As a mediator and consensus-builder, I am curious to know what Julie's view is, but whatever Julie's response, your post is one of the most open that I have seen at p'omidyar. While it is startlingly honest and open, I still did not think that your post was negative or aggressive. I always applaud sincerity and courage, even at gunpoint. ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:31:36 PDT >>Good things when trying to close deals.<< I don't agree those are good things when trying to close deals, but points for openess and candor. ---- :Author: Michele -> kids+art+charity (CCAL30) :Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:55:20 PDT :Modified: Sun, 20 May 2007 16:07:01 PDT Net2 is going to be so *interesting*! ---- :Author: Brian Lewis (CCAL30) :Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:33:42 PDT Well--I have decided since I will be in the Bay Area to nominate myself for consideration as one of the two "reps" at this event. My background and experience in all phases of business, development, international activities offers substantive reason for consideration. I think I probably have as much experience in this variety of areas as most anyone...at least within our O-net community. In addition, I have fairly considerable experience in the legal and financial aspects of development both here in this country and in other countries around the world. I also "enjoy" a network of friends, associates and contacts in most every corner of the world and perhaps could be seen as someone who can help and facilitate others in their efforts to expand their good ideas. Finally, I will, as noted in an earlier post, be there anyway! So--my hat is in the ring... ---- :Author: Haney Armstrong (CCAL30) :Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 18:20:33 PDT Ok, great - at this point it looks like Brian, Julie, and Jean have applied. The deadline for additional applicants is noon Pacific time on Wednesday, May 16. ---- :Author: Mark Grimes :Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 18:36:57 PDT Thnx to Peter for the suggestion and others who privately sent me messages encouraging me to apply for the NetSquared opportunity. Would have loved to meet John finally FTF and see everyone else too. I'm going to be in/on Salt Spring Island 5/25-5/29 getting back very late 5/29 so NetSquared is not in my future this year (though prior to the Salt Spring trip it was strongly under consideration). Looking forward to hearing about and reading NetSquared reports from o/net members. ---- :Author: RicHARD ~The Anointed One~ Makepeace (CCAL30) :Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 18:46:33 PDT Michele -> kids+art+charity said: I am, yet again, in awe - jaw dropping awe - of our nurture girl. To be as brave and openly honest and believe in myself to do so, is one of my highest goals in life. Nothing against you Julie - at all - as I don't know you. FWIW, Jean could have been writing about Norbert ;-) Jean, wasn't writing about Norbert? Ooops! ---- :Author: Julie Caldwell (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 06:37:25 PDT :Modified: Wed, 16 May 2007 07:06:40 PDT It’s true that my ADD personality can trigger anxiety in those that don’t appreciate it's strengths. I’ve found that meditation works better than Adderall! Since joining O.net in July 2004, I have learned a lot about on-line communications and community building. When I first joined, I was rather clumsy and definitely annoyed a certain personality type around here. However, I have grown since then. With a big THANK YOU to O.net I have learned a lot about being in community. A gift that has really proved itself with the organizing of Elko Peace Park. I went from having a fear of connecting to full on community organizing (which is everything to do with connecting)! A scary endeavor for someone in her late 40’s, who lost her mother to suicide when she was 13. Elko Peace Park was seeded in May 2005 with $1,800 dollars from the O.net $25,000 community voted awards. An effort that has taken on a life of it's own with 11 fully active board members(and over 200 volunteers)that hardly new each other 2 years ago. They are now partnered with the city of Elko and have integrated 5 different cultural elements that represent very different community personalities. Each one is a self-organizing element being implemented within the overall park design. We have successfully raised $700,000 so far this year and will begin construction this summer! I give a special thanks to O.net buddies Lars and Ted who have really worked with me to develop my confidence and abilities. To me it’s this type of working with (more than working for) that exemplifies ones nurturing capacity. I’ve rarely been labeled passive-aggressive. Aggressive yes, passive, rarely! My passion is sometimes misread as aggressiveness (especially on-line). Regarding lack of clarity/spin capability -- I’ve been learning not to share the bigger vision as it often confuses people. However, I’ve found just showing up and doing the work helps with any perception “my big ideas” bring towards lack of clarity/spin capability. Both of my passion and focus (despite the ADD and menopause) have led to: * Elko Peace Park board appreciating me for my special energy that attracts, nurtures and secures necessary partners. * Delivery of the 2005 Chicago O.net scholarship fund which enabled 7 O.netters to attend(including Norbert). * 5 O.netters to receive Q4 O.net funds(fall 2006)for being grassroots organizers (Julie P, Mark, Martin, Meron, Michael). * 30 O.netters to the Emerging Futures Network – O.net Blaine event (half received travel scholarships, including Jean). Dec 2006. Slippery! Well, I often mix up facts, the memory doesn’t work so well as I’m going through menopause! If you are alluding to Emerging Futures Network hoping to raise funds to hire Nurture.biz to do her thing -- I was hoping to outline this with you and others during our Portland Recent Changes Camp meet-up. But, EFN took a turn of direction and Nuture.biz was focused elsewhere. And, I've been out of pocket March/April meditating. Emerging Futures Network is just now reconvening and it is my hope that some of our 2007 O.net community award dollars will go towards supporting “node/network/technology” development for groups like Nurture.biz, NetSquared folks, Omidyar Network and beyond… We will be sending out an announcement to the `Emerging Futures Network`_ O.net group members soon (as in David, Ted, Gerry, Laure, Michael and Julie decide what our next steps are). .. _`Emerging Futures Network`: http://www.omidyar.net/group/efn/ ---- :Author: Brian Lewis (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:15:30 PDT :Modified: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:24:52 PDT As I actually read the posts from Jean and those others after I had "thrown my own hat in the ring" for consideration, I am very pleased to see this most recent post from Julie. I was pretty shocked, to be honest, at what was--my opinion--thrown out there in Jean's earlier missive--both because I found it to be harsh and I also wondered at its "nurturing" and why it was being made. The follow-up comments by others to support it were also intriguing to me, not in a positive way but in wondering... Anyway, I suggest that what is important is that if our O-net community is to have a positive participation in this forthcoming NetSquared event--then who ever it is who is chosen to attend should have in mind that they will be "representing" our community of interests in many ways and that it is in the "best" of ways that we can find and learn for ourself as a participant and perhaps more importantly in our reporting back to our membership. edited for the sake of editing ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:28:20 PDT :Modified: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:28:42 PDT i'd like to offer my slight "discomfort" at the frame of o.net ambassadors. first and foremost, i hope those selected to attend will be considered on the merits of their efforts here, not on whether or how they'll "represent" the network here. i am sure there will be many opportunities to discuss one's involvement here on the network, and how it has helped to further one's aims (collaboration, etc). i am just not sure that i have a burning need to be "spoken for" or "on behalf of" at netsquared. i might feel differently if there was some discussion of a "member panel" (care2, n2, onet, etc) on how networks advance global collaboration, etc. in fact, i see this as a wonderful opportunity for two o.netizens to further their own personal/organization aims through networking and learning. cheers, and good luck! ---- :Author: RicHARD ~The Anointed One~ Makepeace (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:34:24 PDT I believe that Julie and Jean are ideal candidates for these spots. This post is addressed first to Jean and Julie, and then to p'omidyar in general. When I want to do good work, I work, consistently and deliberately, for everyone to succeed. Despite, Mark's drives-by comment, I deliberately and consistently work to fill that position, and to create that process at p'omidyar, as well. At the Alternatives to Violence Project (AVP), ALL decisions are made by consensus. AVP is ALL about including Others and making THEM successful, so that WE can ALL succeed. In AVP, none of US succeed without ALL of US. The process of including everyone, sometimes takes longer, but in the end OUR essential humanity triumphs over OUR petty preferences. I am not saying that *ANY* disagreement is petty, but even as a mediator, many disagreements seem petty, **TO ME**, and sometimes, I just wanna say, "Hey, grow up and get over it." As a conflict specialist, I know that minimizing anyone's disagreement is one of the worst approaches. I never know what people are fighting about here at p'omidyar anyway. Not only do I mean that I stay out of the fray, but I also think that the reasons for people fighting here are not always understandable, **TO ME**, and consequently seem petty. Since some here project themselves into everything, so let ME *repeat* that I am not minimizing anyone else's preferences, differences, or disagreements. Everyone is entitled to feel and act anyway THEY choose. I am one of the defenders of individual action and responsibility on this board. I am saying that whatever OUR differences are, that unless those differences are matters of deep, sincere conscience, where most of US would agree, WE have to set OUR differences aside and focus on what WE have in common to "make good things happen." How I hate that phrase! Do Klan members and other fanatics believe that THEY are making "good things happen?" Sorry for that horrible aside and very glad there are no Klan members, or other fanatics here making good things happen. MY goal is simple: How do WE get the best representatives for O-net projects to go to NetSquared? Additionally, I think that the questions asked earlier in this thread about what are the goals, of those who represent US, need to be answered. There is a way to make good things happen and sometimes arguing is part of that way, but continued arguing NEVER really helps. Even with a very civilized disagreement, such as the one that WE are now enjoying. Unless, of course, Others here feel a need to vent. ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 09:02:06 PDT Haney, if there are only three candidates, is there a possibility of securing a third pass so we don't have to make a "false choice" among three excellent persons? ---- :Author: Haney Armstrong (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 09:10:01 PDT I think we should go ahead and do the poll for two slots as planned. ---- :Author: Evonne Heyning (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:25:40 PDT I am glad to see the energy and enthusiasm for this gathering, but let's remember why this gathering is convening....to uplift 21 amazing organizations that have already made it to the top of the social venture food chain through their extraordinary organizational efforts. I want to see leaders there who know how to put others' work ahead of their own, who know how to listen as well as speak and make the right connections along the way. Some of the frustration coming through in this thread seems to be residue from previous meetups that have not always flowed with smooth action despite best intentions. I've been with both Julie and Jean at various conferences and they bring unique organizational styles to the table (as does Brian from everything I've read here). There have been times where we have pushed too hard to see our visions manifest and it is in this pushing that many feelings have felt stepped on or otherwise not heard in open community spaces. There's an important lesson in there for all of us as we learn to work together beyond this online network. I'm eager to see Brian attend in part because we've never met and I admire his gusto on these threads....but I know that Jean and Julie will also bring great value. Working with Jean and Nurture.biz has been one of the most enlightening and helpful experiences of my social venture journey and I would wholeheartedly recommend her as a strategic ally as well as for her coaching capabilities. She excels at sharing a very clear vision for valuable change. What we're seeing behind the scenes is a small number of people who have been activated by this network to create great change in the world. This is happening even through the N2Y2 process; I took a few minutes to write an email for another innovation nominee from this network and they just received a grant much larger than expected! Julie was able to raise great change for Elko and peace in her community while Jean raises big funds for Catalytic Communities and other partners she has met through this network. Brian is constantly bringing new ideas to the table here and I trust that he could be a great ally for many organizations connected through N2Y2. There's a spirit of collaboration here that's essential to helping likeminded groups grow in their work together. **I'd like to hear from everyone here how they plan to help other groups grow in 2007 through their efforts.** There's a fundamental exponential growth pattern in the NetSquared model....in the social web 2.0 world each one reaches two or more and it grows quickly. How is your current focus and effort helping other innovative efforts to grow? Where are you weaving the most effective networks? ---- :Author: Christina :Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 11:05:52 PDT Haney wrote: If you’d like to be considered for free registration then post to this thread and explain what you might be able to contribute to the process of accelerating the development of the selected projects. We've heard about representing Onet projects at the NetSquared Conference, but I'd love to hear more in response to what Haney suggested. ---- :Author: Brian Lewis (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 11:29:14 PDT :Modified: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:25:32 PDT Well--first of all, I agree 100% with what Evonne wrote that the "purpose" for those who attend should be to learn about these groups who have been sponsored to present and then that those who attend should be focused on how to help them implement their ideas via collaborative efforts and support. I also agree we all have our unique experience and skills but I suggest, respectfully, that we all have a vision of helping to make this world a better place to live and it is this which has brought us to this involvement where we find ourselves today. As for what Haney wrote, Christina--it was two at the beginning and while three would likely be nice should it be changed just to be nice?--that is a hard one to answer. I would note, thank you Evonne--I will be in the Bay Area for other reasons anyway and so if I am the odd-"man" out so to speak I look forward to the opportunity to meet up with everyone who is around and has the time and interest...thanks to everyone. edited for the sake of editing ---- :Author: Thomas Kriese (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 11:39:19 PDT Something that will help me cast my vote is if the folks who've been nominated can tell me how they plan to contribute_ to the NetSquared conference in any of the areas that NetSquared has identified on *their* application page (they have a limit of 250 words or less). - I am a web developer/engineer and can contribute my time and skills to a project. - I can provide technical assistance or organizational support to a project - I represent a nonprofit that would like to pilot-test developing or new technology and share my experiences, recommend improvements and offer ideas for new tools. - I can volunteer at the conference as a blogger, vlogger, podcaster, etc. - I have access to capital for appropriate projects. - I have ideas for additional resources or can offer support not mentioned above. Brian, Jean, Julie... can you share your planned contribution as it fits the above categories? .. _contribute : http://www.netsquared.org/2007/conference/signup ---- :Author: Haney Armstrong (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 12:38:49 PDT The `poll is open`_ for voting. It will close about 12:30 PM Pacific time on Friday, May 18. - You may change your vote up until the deadline. - At the end of the poll, the names of who voted will be displayed but not how they voted. **Please feel free to continue this discussion in the meantime.** .. _`poll is open` : /group/community-general/poll/40/ ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 15:25:17 PDT yeah, i completed that questionnaire thomas - i liked its simplicity. hope to see you there. ---- :Author: Brian Lewis (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:43:21 PDT :Modified: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:25:57 PDT Hello Thomas--thank you for your questions. Here goes-- Point 1--I am a web developer/engineer and can contribute my time and skills to a project. Well, I have worked on web design from the creative point but not from the technical point. I have a sense of creativity and also experience in "what draws attention" to ideas. However, there are certainly other folks out there who have much better ability in this. Point 2--I can provide technical assistance or organizational support to a project. Depending on the project, this may be one of my key strengths with lots of experience from the ground level of inception and forward from there. I feel for the most part I work well with people in this type environment. Point 3--I represent a nonprofit that would like to pilot-test developing or new technology and share my experiences, recommend improvements and offer ideas for new tools. Well I certainly do not represent any non-profits. I have worked in and around non-profits as a volunteer over the years and likely can make some "contributions" with ideas but that would be it on this point. Point 4--I can volunteer at the conference as a blogger, vlogger, podcaster, etc. Yes, of course. This goes without saying. Point 5--I have access to capital for appropriate projects. Well--yes...I know about these topics and in fact one of the reasons I will be in the Bay Area at this time is to attend a meeting with some VCs...having said this though, non-profits are another ball game and raising money for them is a different type activity--at least this has been my experience. Point 6--I have ideas for additional resources or can offer support not mentioned above. I suppose I would say this would be my "number 2" greatest strength in terms of participation. As I noted when I "self-nominated" myself, I do see this as a real strength. Beyond these questions, I see participating in this event and meeting and listening to and learning from the folks who have been invited to present--I see being able to provide encouragement and "cheer leading" for them... And then after, I would feel that for those to whom I feel an affinity, that I would want to stay in touch with them and thereafter do my best to provide encouragement and other types of support/participation which they would want to have. edited for the sake of editing ---- :Author: Brian Lewis (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:45:42 PDT :Modified: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:26:17 PDT I would like to add one more thing--I tend to be pragmatic and practical rather than idealistic and dreamy...I would think that this can be of use to these folks--at least some of them. edited for the sake of editing ---- :Author: Evonne Heyning (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 17:33:57 PDT http://www.netsquared.org/blog/britt-bravo/new-spaces-available-apply-participate-netsquared-conference I would suggest that all of you get in touch directly with NetSquared's planning team if you'd like to attend; there are a handful of seats available for active bloggers, organizers and resource guides, anyone with good creative ideas to bring to the table. I think they are looking to build strong teams around these projects and all hands on deck seems to be the call. Representing Omidyar.net is a very cool thing to do, but don't let yourself be limited to this avenue to attend the event. ---- :Author: Evonne Heyning (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 17:40:28 PDT http://www.netsquared.org/projects/n2y2-featured-projects Here are the 21 featured projects to be presented at this event. Through work on ONet and beyond I've followed or worked with a half-dozen of these groups including Grassroots.org, Wiser Earth, Taking It Global and Genocide Intervention Network. I'm most looking forward to hearing more about the African social networking group, Open Source Video, SSC and Nabuur. What projects draw your attention? ---- :Author: Julie Caldwell (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 21:50:20 PDT Thanks for the prompt Thomas, here goes… Our non-profit is working to link and connect youth networks in partnership with a new on-line interactive corporation which might benefit the youth networks attending Net2d. In regards to our `Elko Peace Park`_ project we might be able to benefit the networks focusing on neighborhoods and organizer tools. I can assist the 21 projects through sharing connections and resources as appropriate, such as providing opportunities for open source technology collaboration that support local, regional and global link-ups through our park kiosk. Today we were invited take part in a public-private partnership to plant 1 million trees globally (5,000 in Elko) by engaging youth and adults in community leadership training. They are offering us access to funds for trees and training and we are offering our citizen/city partnership and access to city and state support. I'm not sure what will bubble up. However, we can offer this type of connecting, linking and sharing to net2d projects. `Emerging Futures Network`_ (EFN) just received a `community favorite award`_ from Omidyar Network. We were given the award based on our work with 1) `Network Weavers`_ and `O Guild`_, 2) hosting a face-to-face event and by 3) establishing tools outside of, yet linked to O.net. Because the process of connecting people is central to EFN’s work, we will provide opportunities for O.net members to collaborate within Emerging Futures Network’s broad network. If an appropriate Net2d project emerges I'm sure our team will want to contribute time and resources. .. _`International Cultural Affairs`: http://www.ica-usa.org/ .. _`community favorite award`: http://www.omidyar.net/group/on/ws/emerging_futures_network/ .. _`Elko Peace Park`: http://www.elkopeacepark.org .. _`Emerging Futures Network`: http://www.emergingfutures.net .. _`Network Weavers`: http://www.networkweavers.net .. _`O Guild`: http://oguild.org/OGuild:Community_Portal ---- :Author: The Life Student (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 22:46:06 PDT Great initiative. Would anybody know someone at Net2d. Please PM me an email if you have one thank you tk Julie Caldwell said: Thanks for the prompt Thomas, here goes… Our non-profit is working to link and connect youth networks in partnership with a new on-line interactive corporation which might benefit the youth networks attending Net2d. In regards to our `Elko Peace Park`_ project we might be able to benefit the networks focusing on neighborhoods and organizer tools. I can assist the 21 projects through sharing connections and resources as appropriate, such as providing opportunities for open source technology collaboration that support local, regional and global link-ups through our park kiosk. Today we were invited take part in a public-private partnership to plant 1 million trees globally (5,000 in Elko) by engaging youth and adults in community leadership training. They are offering us access to funds for trees and training and we are offering our citizen/city partnership and access to city and state support. I'm not sure what will bubble up. However, we can offer this type of connecting, linking and sharing to net2d projects. `Emerging Futures Network`_ (EFN) just received a `community favorite award`_ from Omidyar Network. We were given the award based on our work with 1) `Network Weavers`_ and `O Guild`_, 2) hosting a face-to-face event and by 3) establishing tools outside of, yet linked to O.net. Because the process of connecting people is central to EFN’s work, we will provide opportunities for O.net members to collaborate within Emerging Futures Network’s broad network. If an appropriate Net2d project emerges I'm sure our team will want to contribute time and resources. .. _`International Cultural Affairs`: http://www.ica-usa.org/ .. _`community favorite award`: http://www.omidyar.net/group/on/ws/emerging_futures_network/ .. _`Elko Peace Park`: http://www.elkopeacepark.org .. _`Emerging Futures Network`: http://www.emergingfutures.net .. _`Network Weavers`: http://www.networkweavers.net .. _`O Guild`: http://oguild.org/OGuild:Community_Portal ---- :Author: Greg Murray (CCAL30) :Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 01:39:30 PDT My vote is definitely for Jean, simply because of the vast array of information and perspectives she is able to add to a conversation. She has spent far too much time reading books, writing poetry, surfing the internet, corresponding, connecting and splicing. The result is a very strange and very interesting mind, with the interpersonal skills at hand to effectively communicate the spaghetti-jumble of ideas in a positive way. I think she'll be able to add value to the conference participants, and I think she'll be able to take back value from the conference to this community. Simple as that. ---- :Author: Brian Lewis (CCAL30) :Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 04:50:14 PDT :Modified: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:26:46 PDT I have made my choices and voted--and I did not vote for myself. I am impressed with Julie's tremendous experience in taking a small amount of money and undertaking and achieving success in the project for which it was given and then raising substantially more to keep it going. This is the type experience and knowledge and commitment and persistence which can be shared with those entrants into the NetSquared event. I am impressed with Jean and her substantial commitment to making this world a better place, her selfless efforts, her willingness to share, her compassion and her dedication. This is the type experience and knowledge and commitment and persistence which can be shared with those entrants into the NetSquared event. I encourage and I request all those who choose to vote to consider my reasons for voting for these two most outstanding people and ask you to consider to select them as your choice to participate in this event. For those who will attend, aside from Julie and Jean--I encourage you to seek ways to provide support and encouragement to these people and organizations representing and presenting dreams for the future--for our collective future. edited for the sake of editing ---- :Author: Jean Russell (CCAL30) :Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 09:25:37 PDT I have been traveling since the 7th, my apologies for slow replies. Julie, I am sorry I seem to have made you fel defensive. I was not trying to attack in any way. I was explaining that I do not have the same drive you do to work together and why. Evonne, are you saying that if we attend, our purpose is to uplift the 21 who were voted in and not the handful of onet projects who didn't get in? If so, that sharply decreases my interest. Brian, I am sorry you don't get my nurturing. That makes me sad. Lars, Can the attendees from this voting thing attend as respresentatives of the network without implying that we embody the whole collective or speak on behalf of others? Greg, thank you for your support. I am honored. Everyone, thank you for your comments. I apologize if I neglected to address something you said or thank you for your grace. Thomas: * I am a web developer/engineer and can contribute my time and skills to a project. I have done web design, but I do not consider myself a developer specifically (since I am connected to people who do this work very passionately and deeply). I can contribute my awareness of the network of such folks as an attendee of events like Recent Changes Camp and BarCamp Portland as well as other links in my technology network. * I can provide technical assistance or organizational support to a project What is meant by technical assistance? And yes, my business involves providing organizational support to people, projects, and organizations. * I represent a nonprofit that would like to pilot-test developing or new technology and share my experiences, recommend improvements and offer ideas for new tools. I volunteer, work with and for many nonprofits where I would promote new technologies and share my experiences if I see value in doing so. I am happy to recommend improvements and my understanding of currencies, flow, nonprofits, social good, and technology means that I can provide insight, well framed, and languaged to the appropriate audiences. * I can volunteer at the conference as a blogger, vlogger, podcaster, etc. Happy to blog, of course. At NurtureGirl.net, onet or elsewhere. * I have access to capital for appropriate projects. I do not have *direct* access to financial capital. I do have access to great treasures of intellectual and social capital which can often reduce the need for financial capital. * I have ideas for additional resources or can offer support not mentioned above. Those that have met with me in person know that I bring a grounded open and safe space to any situation in person. Others, like Greg Murray, Theresa Williamson, Anne Marie Bellavance, Sebastian Herrera, Clare Mulvany, Nathan Cryder, Ethan McCutchen, Arthur Brock, Tony Deifell, and so many others here can speak to the value I can provide much better than I can...as it is simply my way of being in the world to try to offer up support, encouragement, insight, and challenge to improve our lives, our work, and our world. If I benefit, that would be lovely, as I am struggling to make a living at this passionate work of supporting emerging social benefit leaders. I am full of faith. I am driven to do the work for as long as I can regardless of my own direct benefit, as our world needs this work and social benefit leaders so much more than I need anything at all. I am graced by the honor of serving good things and good people. ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 09:31:10 PDT :Modified: Thu, 17 May 2007 09:34:33 PDT Jean asked: Can the attendees from this voting thing attend as respresentatives of the network without implying that we embody the whole collective or speak on behalf of others? Jean, i don't know - i don't see why not. what does "representative of the network" mean to you and how would you approach that? ---- :Author: Jean Russell (CCAL30) :Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 09:57:45 PDT I would say something to the effect of--I know someone who I think is interested in that, can I connect them to you? I can't speak for them and make no promises, but there could be something there worth exploring. It is a usual phrasing of mine. ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:13:12 PDT that seems a natural thing to do anyway :) ---- :Author: Evonne Heyning (CCAL30) :Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:58:33 PDT Jean, I'm not sure how much of our other work should be represented at N2Y2: to be honest my invitation happened in such a strange way that I'm not sure of what will happen or what the expectations are. Susan Tenby first invited me last year because she wanted me to speak and share on our work, then the conference changed format, there was the innovation cycle and now these 21 groups of change. Britt Bravo now has me listed as a blogger and I don't plan to be a vocal part of the connection process; that will happen more in quiet introductions as you gracefully modeled above. As I understand it a great deal of time will be spent working on building connections by and for those 21 groups. There are a small number of projects featured that are well worth working with; some strategic partnership building makes sense and for ManorMeta creative integration I never miss a chance to meet up with technology leaders. Every conference provides a new opportunity for storytelling and spotlighting great works, so there's no conflict of interest....there's only that nagging question of how much is too much to share in these environments? I feel like those chosen here are Omidyar Network representatives and there were many great ONet projects featured this year with NetSquared. Feel free to represent and connect! ---- :Author: Haney Armstrong (CCAL30) :Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:11:38 PDT Evonne Heyning said: ..snip... I feel like those chosen here are Omidyar Network representatives and there were many great ONet projects featured this year with NetSquared. Feel free to represent and connect! Thanks for all the excitement around NetSquared. I'd like to clarify that the members selected here will not be representatives of Omidyar Network. Definitely they can say that they were selected by the members of omidyar.net. The spirit of the invite is that their role is to "contribute to the process of accelerating the development of the selected projects". ---- :Author: Evonne Heyning (CCAL30) :Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 15:49:09 PDT Oops, good point, and a careful line to draw between Omidyar Network and the ONet community. When people at gatherings like these ask if I work for the Omidyar Network I insist "no", but also in full disclosure will let people know that the nonprofit org I lead has received two community awards from this network; this usually starts a short conversation on the difference between the public social network and the private investment organization. It's good to make those lines clear with people so that they do not have any misunderstandings. What language do you prefer Haney and Thomas? ---- :Author: Haney Armstrong (CCAL30) :Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 16:27:41 PDT Thanks Evonne. It is a potentially confusing line to draw. I appreciate the chance to try to clarify. - "Member of the omidyar.net community" is ideal for everyone who has joined here. For those who are new here, Omidyar Network hosts the omidyar.net community but doesn't dictate what happens here. That's up to the members. - "Community Favorites" are selected by Omidyar Network staff so yes they are awards from Omidyar Network. They are given to reward and encourage groups that use omidyar.net for collaboration. Groups are judged based on the amount of support by omidyar.net members and by the actions that take place as a result of the collaboration. ---- :Author: Brian Lewis (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 05:58:37 PDT :Modified: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:27:36 PDT My schedule just got a overwhelmed while I am in California and I ask that my name be withdrawn from consideration as one of two and would further request that the choice of Julie and Jean be by unanimous agreement... Thank you to those who supported my "putting my hat into the ring" and thank you to everyone who participates, contributes and encourages the betterment of life on this planet through O-net and other organizations and communities. I do look forward to hearing about the conference and do hope to be able to meet up with those who attend in the evenings after the events are over. I will be sending my cell phone number to Julie, Jean and Haney. Best wishes and again, thank you. edited for the sake of editing ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 07:13:56 PDT hey, so does that mean you won't be there at all Brian? it would be great to meet up sometime anyway - i'm planning to be there May 28-30. ---- :Author: Brian Lewis (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 07:18:01 PDT :Modified: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:28:04 PDT I will be in the Bay Area, Lars--I arrive on the 26th and depart on the 31st...I will be in Palo Alto and Menlo Park and Atherton from the 28th...I too look forward to meeting you! Thanks. edited for the sake of editing ---- :Author: Jean Russell (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 07:53:24 PDT Lars, does that mean you are coming to Netsquared? Or are you there for something else? If I get to go, I hope I get to see you!!! ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 07:55:06 PDT :Modified: Fri, 18 May 2007 07:55:26 PDT `yes`_, i can't wait to see you too - and evonne and others! i got an email the other day saying the online invitation request i'd submitted was accepted. .. _`yes`: http://www.omidyar.net/user/u962055606/news/163/ ---- :Author: Julie Caldwell (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 08:44:21 PDT Brian ~ for sure I want to meet up with you. Lars, how wonderful! Please bring a copy of the new Peace Tiles curriculum and let's brainstorm more about what `we've been talking about`_. .. _`we've been talking about`: http://www.omidyar.net/group/foodchain/news/203/48/ ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 08:49:45 PDT okay - will do julie. ---- :Author: Evonne Heyning (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:41:06 PDT Yay! Lars is coming! ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 13:05:12 PDT thanks evonne - i'm thrilled to finally meet you but note this does **NOT** let you off the hook for august in *my* book :) ---- :Author: Haney Armstrong (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 13:14:57 PDT Congratulations to Julie Caldwell and Jean Russell - who received the most votes in `the poll`_ and were selected for free registration to the netSquared conference. I'll contact you about how to register. Thanks to Brian and everyone else who participated in what seemed like a very upbeat process. .. _`the poll` : /group/community-general/poll/40/results ---- :Author: Julie Caldwell (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 13:22:08 PDT :Modified: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:19:19 PDT Thanks for all those who voted. It would be nice to know where others are staying? And, if any, where the good deals on rooms are? Or an extra bed/sofa some where? ---- :Author: Jean Russell (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 14:08:53 PDT Thanks to all who voted for participating in the process, odd as it turned out to be. It is great to see so many names of people who are fairly inactive in the community spring to life at times like this. Looking forward to the event and seeing so many fellow onetters, especially, for me, as this is the year to tour the country seeing onetters. ---- :Author: Brian Lewis (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:48:57 PDT :Modified: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:28:39 PDT I think this is another example of the growing collaborative efforts which are developing within our virtual community. Thanks and I hope to be able to meet up with the various people while we are all there. edited for the sake of editing ---- :Author: David Evan Harris (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 17:18:16 PDT Good news from São Paulo, Brazil! Ana Nassar from the `Museum of the Person`_, Global Lives' key partner organization, will be attending Net2 as well! She got a fee waiver from N2 and the Museum decided to cover her travel expenses. She is Brazilian and has never been to California before, but she lived in Pennsylvania for 6 months and speaks English quite well. If any of you can go out of your way to make her feel at home at the conference and in the US, that would be really wonderful! She'll be staying at my parents' house in Mountain View, but if any of you could take her out in the evenings or be extra-special-nice at the conference, that would be great! Other cool semi-related news item--though I won't be able to make it to Net2, I just got word that iCommons will be sponsoring me to present about Global Lives in Dubrovnik, Croatia at their annual summit_ June 15-17!! Any other ONetters going?? Abraços and congrats Jean & Julie! .. _`Museum of the Person`: http://www.museudapessoa.net .. _summit: http://icommons.org/isummit-07/ ---- :Author: Evonne Heyning (CCAL30) :Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 12:27:26 PDT So exciting David! Please put Ana in touch with me; I'd love to meet her and learn more while we're there. Looking forward to seeing many of you at N2Y2. No good word on accomodations yet; let me know if you have good recommendations. ---- :Author: John Berger (CCAL30) :Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:51:08 PDT I look forward to seeing you all there! ---- :Author: Page Trygstad :Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 21:09:45 PDT Vote early and vote often. - Al Capone ---- :Author: Harry Lime (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 01:38:22 PDT "Nurture- Nonsence" :) ==== You're right Brian -- shockingly harsh behavior -- just to get a free ticket -- how pathetic :( I think that this "Coach" -- is in dire need of coaching -- if she needs to play so hard -- in order to mooch a flight :( i.e. parasites don't "energize" :) Brian Lewis said: As I actually read the posts from Jean and those others after I had "thrown my own hat in the ring" for consideration, I am very pleased to see this most recent post from Julie. I was pretty shocked, to be honest, at what was--my opinion--thrown out there in Jean's earlier missive--both because I found it to be harsh and I also wondered at its "nurturing" and why it was being made. The follow-up comments by others to support it were also intriguing to me, not in a positive way but in wondering... Anyway, I suggest that what is important is that if our O-net community is to have a positive participation in this forthcoming NetSquared event--then who ever it is who is chosen to attend should have in mind that they will be "representing" our community of interests in many ways and that it is in the "best" of ways that we can find and learn for ourself as a participant and perhaps more importantly in our reporting back to our membership. ---- :Author: Harry Lime (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 01:48:02 PDT Good, concrete, suggestions :) ----------------- Thomas Kriese said: Something that will help me cast my vote is if the folks who've been nominated can tell me how they plan to contribute_ to the NetSquared conference in any of the areas that NetSquared has identified on *their* application page (they have a limit of 250 words or less). - I am a web developer/engineer and can contribute my time and skills to a project. - I can provide technical assistance or organizational support to a project - I represent a nonprofit that would like to pilot-test developing or new technology and share my experiences, recommend improvements and offer ideas for new tools. - I can volunteer at the conference as a blogger, vlogger, podcaster, etc. - I have access to capital for appropriate projects. - I have ideas for additional resources or can offer support not mentioned above. Brian, Jean, Julie... can you share your planned contribution as it fits the above categories? .. _contribute : http://www.netsquared.org/2007/conference/signup ---- :Author: Harry Lime (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 01:49:10 PDT I can't wait for the response -- to the above :) --------------- ---- :Author: Linda ทรัพยากร Nowakowski (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 02:50:08 PDT Harry Lime said: Good, concrete, suggestions :) ----------------- Thomas Kriese said: Something that will help me cast my vote is if the folks who've been nominated can tell me how they plan to contribute_ to the NetSquared conference in any of the areas that NetSquared has identified on *their* application page (they have a limit of 250 words or less). - I am a web developer/engineer and can contribute my time and skills to a project. - I can provide technical assistance or organizational support to a project - I represent a nonprofit that would like to pilot-test developing or new technology and share my experiences, recommend improvements and offer ideas for new tools. - I can volunteer at the conference as a blogger, vlogger, podcaster, etc. - I have access to capital for appropriate projects. - I have ideas for additional resources or can offer support not mentioned above. Brian, Jean, Julie... can you share your planned contribution as it fits the above categories? .. _contribute : http://www.netsquared.org/2007/conference/signup * Brian_ * Julie_ * Jean_ .. _Brian : http://www.omidyar.net/group/community-general/news/1863/57/ .. _Julie : http://www.omidyar.net/group/community-general/news/1863/61/ .. _Jean : http://www.omidyar.net/group/community-general/news/1863/65/ ---- :Author: Jean Russell (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 09:23:45 PDT From someone who likes to provoke in an effort to do good things Harry, I find your response to my honesty to be inconsistent. I was not responding to Julie in any effort to get a ticket or win. In fact I was pretty sure that being so honest was risking my reputation and my chances at going. I had no idea people would reward my opinion. And within this very thread Julie has done some of the slippery stuff that makes anxious--she edited a comment to make herself sound better. Is that the kind of thing you want to encourage Harry? Rewriting? ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 10:32:09 PDT is a tizzy in a tee cup, unless it is a pizzy in a pee cup isnt it time to notice how the internet forum medium has a way of heightening personalization at the expense of meaning? ---- :Author: Julie Caldwell (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 10:47:42 PDT Hmmm, I thought that continueous learning, editing and rewriting are things we want to encourage. ---- :Author: Haney Armstrong (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 10:48:20 PDT As the author of this discussion I'd like to clarify that the it's purpose - choosing two members to go to netSquared - is complete. Julie Caldwell and Jean Russell were selected in `this poll`_. Thanks to everyone who contributed to the process. I'm looking forward to seeing everyone who can make it there. .. _`this poll` : /group/community-general/poll/40/results ---- :Author: Julie Caldwell (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 10:53:07 PDT I'm looking forward to seeing you Haney! ---- :Author: Haney Armstrong (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 11:03:49 PDT Julie Caldwell said: I'm looking forward to seeing you Haney! Thanks, me too. It's looks like we've co-opted `Lars' thread`_ to do some preliminary thinking about getting together. .. _`Lars' thread` : /user/u962055606/news/163/ ---- :Author: Brian Lewis (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:29:35 PDT :Modified: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:29:55 PDT editing for the sake of editing edited for the sake of editing ---- :Author: Jean Russell (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 15:07:22 PDT Edited for the sake of edited. ---- :Author: Brian Lewis (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 19:34:53 PDT It does no one any good to make judgments that do not allow for integrity and deny respect--about this I have rather strong feelings... ---- :Author: Michele -> kids+art+charity (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 20:04:06 PDT Brian, what's your opinion of the mean-spirited and juvenile tagging of this thread? Personally, I'm appalled and dismayed by the viciousness. I don't think that there's any place for such undermining in any cooperative, collaborative network. Headed over to the tagging discussion... ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 20:09:44 PDT "...I at least had no illusions; but it was I too, who a moment ago had been so sure of the power of words, and now was afraid to speak; in the same way one dares not move for fear of losing a slippery hold. It is when we try to grapple with another's intimate need that we perceive how incomprehensible, wavering, and misty are the beings that share with us the sight of the stars and the warmth of the sun." Joseph Conrad Lord Jim ---- :Author: Michele -> kids+art+charity (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 20:15:05 PDT Thanks for the apropos quote, Martin. ---- :Author: Michele -> kids+art+charity (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 20:18:25 PDT I think it's also sad that such a positive initiative to support o/net members by the network can't be simply applauded and uplifted by all. ---- :Author: Brian Lewis (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 06:07:02 PDT Michele-- I would hope that, as my mother sometimes says: "Today is a bad hair day" and that some of the ideas which have been exchanged within this discussion/opportunity can be ascribed to having been a "bad hair day" by the persons who "shared" their ideas in the manner in which they did. ---- :Author: Brian Lewis (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 06:11:35 PDT My thought about NetSquared is that this is a wonderful opportunity to participate with people who are making a difference every day. It is a wonderful opportunity to aspire to join their ranks and achieve goals worthy of being goals. It is a wonderful opportunity to be inspired by people who are busy making a difference every day. I hope it is an opportunity to share in this "light and energy". My perspective is reflected by these ideas. Coupled with these ideas is the hope that good things result from participating in this conference for those who are making their presentations and from those who are participating. Our world is our home and our home is our opportunity to share and when provided the opportunity, collaborate with others to make it a better place in which to live. ---- :Author: Julie Caldwell (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 06:20:31 PDT Matin, I love Joseph Conrad. Wonderful quote and thank you for sharing it! ---- :Author: Michele -> kids+art+charity (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 06:23:10 PDT Nice, Brian. I am always inspired by you! I very much look forward to reaping the "light and energy" of net2 via my o/net friends who are participating. :-) ---- :Author: Michael Maranda (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 09:07:45 PDT I earlier offered suggestion that for those that were selected, the community might be willing to offer small support that in aggregate will make this easier for those selected to attend. I committed to a nominal gift of $10 each to support expenses of the two who were selected, should they so choose. It is offered in friendship and community. Perhaps each of the two seleted (Jean & Julie) would be willing to set up their own drop cash badge for this, suggesting their estimated out of pocket for this ... and we can see if we as a community can generate the flow for this? ---- :Author: Jean Russell (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 09:14:00 PDT Clarity. Herstory. It is important to me to be public in saying I don't want the kind of relationship with Julie that she was publicly asking for in this thread. Julie has a strong herstory of taking public feedback and growing from it. She is persistent, full of positive intention and a powerful desire to learn and improve herself. I don't feel like the transparent work she and I are doing within this thread means that we are not friends and collaborators. I haven't checked with her, but I feel pretty confident, given my herstory of interacting with Julie, that we will have a good time at Netsquared and work together well, especially now that we have clarified **my** anxiety around working closely with her. (Clearly some of our audience has not read The Four Agreements to understand that this says more about me than it does about her. I tried to convey that, but apparently some people didn't get that message.) Some people are responding to this as if they were at a hockey game seeing the emergence of fight. And here comes Harry Lime, late to the discussion, under informed, and trying to ruffle some feathers with his vicious attacks and extremist interpretations. Fortunately my reputation precedes me, and I trust my friends and collaborators here to see completely through his stunts. Our reputations make argument over this at a personal level unnecessary. I humbly request of my friends and collaborators to not feed that beast. Please deal with the vicious tagging issue in the tagging discussion area. Please trust Julie and I to be able to step into fire-y spaces together to build our relationship with honesty. Further commentary is blowing it completely out of proportion. (I know of no one more capable of stepping into fire-y spaces and rising than Julie.) ---- :Author: RicHARD ~The Anointed One~ Makepeace (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:15:12 PDT Jean ~ Nurture Girl ~ Russell said: From someone who likes to provoke in an effort to do good things Harry, I find your response to my honesty to be inconsistent. I was not responding to Julie in any effort to get a ticket or win. In fact I was pretty sure that being so honest was risking my reputation and my chances at going. I had no idea people would reward my opinion. And within this very thread Julie has done some of the slippery stuff that makes anxious--she edited a comment to make herself sound better. Is that the kind of thing you want to encourage Harry? Rewriting? I have deliberately not read past this post because I do not want to be influenced by how the *three principals,* Harry, Jean and Julie, might respond. This way when everyone thinks that I am talking out MY ass, I will at least have a lame excuse. I do so need excuses. Harry is just being Harry. Any other Harry would worry me and set off alarms. I am one of those who supported Jean. I will always support Jean, **EVEN** when I have to tell her that I strongly disagree. I think the same sort of truth and *support* were present in Jean's reply. Harry saw that reply differently. God bless him -- and I do not use the G-word lightly. I could be mistaken and Julie could **possibly** have completely brainwashed me and now I could be her dupe, but I think it more likely that Julie changed her post because she reconsidered her words and learned from them than for other reasons. I have not seen Julie's reasons yet, and until I have concrete proof that anyone here is deceptive, I will hold my own opinions. Hopefully those will be positive. MY view of this situation is that a great opportunity is occurring for p'omidyar and for Julie and Jean. Supporting both of OUR delegates now only makes sense to me. Julie and Jean: How can I help? What, do either, or both, of you need to have an open and transparent reconciliation? ---- :Author: RicHARD ~The Anointed One~ Makepeace (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:22:26 PDT What tagging area? How do I give these lady wrestlers some money? I know they gonna look cute in them costumes!! Have ya seen the boots them girls wear? ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 16:50:06 PDT michael, i just learned about `firstgiving.com`_ as a fundraising resource. saw that someone else at N2 is using `chipin.com`_. .. _`firstgiving.com`: http://www.firstgiving.com .. _`chipin.com`: http://www.chipin.com ---- :Author: Michael Maranda (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:57:52 PDT I've no preference on the means :) ---- :Author: Jean Russell (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:29:19 PDT Mine is up. I used what I knew others did. .. raw:: html ---- :Author: Jean Russell (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:33:08 PDT For charities, have you see Bring Light? A friend pointed it out to me last week, and I see they are participating at Netsquared. Brand spanking new, allows donors to give to Donor Advised Funds then redirect from that fund to any within the collection of verified 501(c)3s. Donors can also create donor interest groups. Nonprofits can submit, and they apparently get access to helpful resources when they signin to post projects. Looks like it comes mostly from a bunch of Adobe Systems Marketing/PR folks (some of whom teach in San Jose). ---- :Author: Julie Caldwell (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:41:12 PDT :Modified: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:45:37 PDT edited. ---- :Author: Julie Caldwell (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:41:53 PDT :Modified: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:46:06 PDT edited ---- :Author: Julie Caldwell (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:43:45 PDT Jean ~ For some reason you would rather talk with me publicly, although I've reached out to you asking that we might talk by phone about your post. My impression of you has been that we are and have been friends. Aquaintances with a common interest of making the world a better place. Our last real interaction was in Blaine where I felt we connected at a heart level. If something has transpired since then, I have no idea. This thread does not feel healthy. Especially since you have choosen not to speak with me one on one. ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:03:35 PDT "I got my appointment--of course; and I got it very quick. It appears the Company had received news that one of their captains had been killed in a scuffle with the natives. This was my chance, and it made me the more anxious to go. It was only months and months afterwards, when I made the attempt to recover what was left of the body, that I heard the original quarrel arose from a misunderstanding about some hens. Yes, two black hens. Fresleven--that was the fellow's name, a Dane--thought himself wronged somehow in the bargain, so he went ashore and started to hammer the chief of the village with a stick. Oh, it didn't surprise me in the least to hear this, and at the same time to be told that Fresleven was the gentlest, quietest creature that ever walked on two legs. No doubt he was; but he had been a couple of years already out there engaged in the noble cause, you know, and he probably felt the need at last of asserting his self-respect in some way. Therefore he whacked the old nigger mercilessly, while a big crowd of his people watched him, thunderstruck, till some man,--I was told the chief's son,--in desperation at hearing the old chap yell, made a tentative jab with a spear at the white man--and of course it went quite easy between the shoulder-blades. Then the whole population cleared into the forest, expecting all kinds of calamities to happen, while, on the other hand, the steamer Fresleven commanded left also in a bad panic, in charge of the engineer, I believe. Afterwards nobody seemed to trouble much about Fresleven's remains, till I got out and stepped into his shoes. I couldn't let it rest, though; but when an opportunity offered at last to meet my predecessor, the grass growing through his ribs was tall enough to hide his bones. They were all there. The supernatural being had not been touched after he fell. And the village was deserted, the huts gaped black, rotting, all askew within the fallen en- closures. A calamity had come to it, sure enough. The people had vanished. Mad terror had scattered them, men, women, and children, through the bush, and they had never returned. What became of the hens I don't know either. I should think the cause of progress got them, anyhow. However, through this glorious affair I got my appointment, before I had fairly begun to hope for it." Joseph Conrad Heart of Darkness ---- :Author: Harry Lime (CCAL30) :Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:22:32 PDT Talk about "Slippery" Jean: ------- You criticized Julie for editing her posts in order to make herself look good -- but what about you? Look at your original post -- before your edits: "Julie no one I know of questions your loyalty, stamina, persistence, determination, conviction, will to make good things happen, or energetic approach. Hands down girl, you rock in those domains. We have worked together, from my perspective, on Catalytic Communities and on EFN. I redirected my support for both of these organizations in part because of your presence there. And, yes, we did have a great time together in Blaine. I have a huge amount of respect and admiration for what you are doing, have done, and are trying to do Julie. However, sometimes the way you go about making good things happen triggers anxiety in me. From my perspective, I perceive passive aggressive behavior, slippery tendencies, and lack of clarity/spin capability. Good things when trying to close deals. But they are not the nurture girl way. I am not so opposed to being there with you as I am to people thinking that I might possibly reciprocate your desire for us to share and be together. I support your work from a distance *on purpose*. I would prefer to keep it that way. And I do cheer you on for what you are doing and have done. I know there is much I can learn from you Julie. Clearly I have some lingering issues and attachments around particular behaviors." Talk about Passive-Agressive: ------------ * "I have a huge amount of respect and admiration for what you are doing, have done, and are trying to do Julie." * "I perceive passive aggressive behavior, slippery tendencies, and lack of clarity/spin capability." (HL: "slippery" usually implies less than honest) "I am not so opposed to being there with you as I am to people thinking that I might possibly reciprocate your desire for us to share and be together." (WOW!) ----------------- *"That's STONE-COLD Passive Agressive!..."* .. image:: /group/oclu/file/1872276/7.41.11367972417/get/mrlime.gif *"...the Nurture Girl way :) "* Your Words :) ======================================================= Jean ~ Nurture Girl ~ Russell said: Marnie! That is great news. Thank you so much for sharing that with us. Julie no one I know of questions your loyalty, stamina, persistence, determination, conviction, will to make good things happen, or energetic approach. Hands down girl, you rock in those domains. We have worked together, from my perspective, on Catalytic Communities and on EFN. And, yes, we did have a great time together in Blaine. I am not so opposed to being there with you as I am to people thinking that I might possibly reciprocate your desire for us to share and be together. I cheer you on for what you are doing and have done. I know there is much I can learn from you Julie. ---- :Author: Harry Lime (CCAL30) :Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:33:54 PDT :Modified: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:38:44 PDT Only room for one "Mother Hen" in the coop :( ========== IMHO: I think that Jean views you as potential competition for the "Mother Hen" ("Nurture Girl") role. You are perceived as a threat, not only to that position, but also to the potential material resources that are allocated to that role. I don't know the back-story between you two: but this much is clear -- within the salt laced ring of sumo-passive-agressive -- no actual reasons were given by "Nurture Girl" to explain her position -- she just essentially labeled you as disingenuous, "slippery", and full of "spin". And by slinging such mud, without providing ample example -- that's just a gussied-up example of character assaination. Plane Tickets, Hot-Air, And-Hugs???. (title for a book I'm thinking of writing :) ------------ Say what does she do for a living? Provide "Uplift" to those who like to "talk" about giving? And then suck up more funding -- to amplify the "Uplift" (i.e., "Talk") -- until all of the funding is transformed into Plane Tickets, Hot-Air-and-Hugs???. Julie Caldwell said: Jean ~ For some reason you would rather talk with me publicly, although I've reached out to you asking that we might talk by phone about your post. My impression of you has been that we are and have been friends. Aquaintances with a common interest of making the world a better place. Our last real interaction was in Blaine where I felt we connected at a heart level. If something has transpired since then, I have no idea. This thread does not feel healthy. Especially since you have choosen not to speak with me one on one. ---- :Author: Christina :Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 15:38:59 PDT Harry Lime said: IMHO: I think that Jean views you as potential competition for the "Mother Hen" ("Nurture Girl") role. You are perceived as a threat, not only to that position, but also to the potential material resources that are allocated to that role. Harry, as someone who knows both of the people concerned I don't think that's quite it. I am also someone who enjoys watching Julie work and evolve *from a distance*. I have tremendous respect for what Julie has achieved over the past few years and have appreciated watching her mature as a social entrepreneur. However, I do not choose to collaborate with Julie closely because of some of the very issues Jean mentioned. Jean and I have never had a discussion about Julie that I can remember, though Julie and I have had the discussion, so my statement here should come as no surprise to Julie. If memory serves me well, Julie also received some negative feedback from other members of the community that gave her cause to take a break from Onet and reflect. Julie I am impressed with your courage to come back and engage here - I can imagine that this thread feels unhealthy to you, but in the end I know that neither you nor Jean will keep the negativity that you feel now with you for long. It really sounds like you've been doing great things in your absence and I have no doubt you'll do a stellar job at offering supportive ideas to the netsquared projects. Jean and Harry - I have no problem personally with anyone editing their posts since it's available for everyone to see now. But Jean, it is kind of a boo boo to criticize someone for an action and then do the same thing yourself. I've no doubt that you will work on these issues while you are spending time with Julie in a way that results in positive take-aways for both of you - possibly there is even a lesson here that will show itself positively at the event. You just never know. Differences aside, both of you have my support! I've sent $25 to Jean's dropcash but it's not showing for some reason. Julie, please alert me when yours is up. .piece C ---- :Author: Evonne Heyning (CCAL30) :Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:09:04 PDT There's a great N2Y2 planning thread where many ONetters are planning to meet up; I'm personally glad to see many people there. Sorry to go ultraneg but I couldn't abide the tone. Julie and Jean are friends to me (along with Thomas, Haney, Lars and other participants here) and I'm looking forward to meeting Brian....I don't see the need for acrimony when there's good will when working together. No drama necessary. ;-) ---- :Author: RicHARD ~The Anointed One~ Makepeace (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 05:35:32 PDT The sentiment that Evonne expresses is universally understood as a healthy one. Negativity and drama will not help. The problem is that some negativity and acrimony exists between Jean and Julie; I've been working hard to vary my usage of both of your names because I don't want to seem to slight either of you, or to take sides by consistently using one name first. Martin is right. People do get killed over chickens. Not that either of you are killers. The spears you have are not lethal. I am on both of your sides, Ladies, and I meant my comment about lady wrestlers, as well. There's a wrestling match going on here, actually everyday there are dozens of wrestling matches going on at p'omidyar. P'omidyar is one of the most **unconsciously** egotistical places that I have been lately. Being an expert on ego and unbearably egotistical myself, though not even in the same class as Harry, and some Others here, I can make this claim. I also support Harry. Harry is just being Harry. Harry puts shit out there in the open. Too many people here try to avoid any unpleasantness by denying that difficulties exist; denial is a sure sign of illness. Harry calls 'em like he sees 'em, whether he sees what's there, or only what he wants to be there. I do this myself. To some greater, or lesser extent, WE all read into things. I think that whatever "acrimony" exists is probably about different ways of reading and interpreting mutual events. Talking about those events and re-framing them with mutual understanding and clarity is very simple and it is the only way to dissolve the "acrimony." To claim "good will" without solving the problem is passive-aggressive, and very common here. Avoiding the issue will only end up ruining something down the line, perhaps even at the Net2Squared shindig. The time to solve this dilemma is **NOW!!** I can help! ---- :Author: Harry Lime (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:13:32 PDT Sound Advice Richard :) -------- .. image:: /group/oclu/file/1872276/7.41.11367972417/get/mrlime.gif I only beg to differ on one point: I'd replace "unintentionally egotistical" -- with "pretentiously, and sometimes borderline messianic - egotistical" :) And I'm not really picking sides here. I don't know the back-story. And I don't know Evvones problem: why try to fold this thread? If I'm making a fool out of myself -- then why not just get out of the way -- so everyone can see :) I essentially just amplified what Brian was shocked to read :) All that is certain is that one lady lashed out at another -- and the other asked why -- and I didn't hear a substantive reply. And I do tire of the passive-aggressive pettiness -- and how such bonfires of vanity -- suck all the air out of life :( ========================== RicHARD ~The Mahatma~ Makepeace said: The sentiment that Evonne expresses is universally understood as a healthy one. Negativity and drama will not help. The problem is that some negativity and acrimony exists between Jean and Julie; I've been working hard to vary my usage of both of your names because I don't want to seem to slight either of you, or to take sides by consistently using one name first. Martin is right. People do get killed over chickens. Not that either of you are killers. The spears you have are not lethal. I am on both of your sides, Ladies, and I meant my comment about lady wrestlers, as well. There's a wrestling match going on here, actually everyday there are dozens of wrestling matches going on at p'omidyar. P'omidyar is one of the most **unconsciously** egotistical places that I have been lately. Being an expert on ego and unbearably egotistical myself, though not even in the same class as Harry, and some Others here, I can make this claim. I also support Harry. Harry is just being Harry. Harry puts shit out there in the open. Too many people here try to avoid any unpleasantness by denying that difficulties exist; denial is a sure sign of illness. Harry calls 'em like he sees 'em, whether he sees what's there, or only what he wants to be there. I do this myself. To some greater, or lesser extent, WE all read into things. I think that whatever "acrimony" exists is probably about different ways of reading and interpreting mutual events. Talking about those events and re-framing them with mutual understanding and clarity is very simple and it is the only way to dissolve the "acrimony." To claim "good will" without solving the problem is passive-aggressive, and very common here. Avoiding the issue will only end up ruining something down the line, perhaps even at the Net2Squared shindig. The time to solve this dilemma is **NOW!!** I can help! ---- :Author: Brad Byrne (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:33:02 PDT hehe!! maybe we could sell tickets to the NetSquared gig! :) ps, Luv ya both J & J! hey! that's how to keep it impersonable! ;) ---- :Author: Brian Lewis (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:58:01 PDT :Modified: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:58:16 PDT And perhaps this will lead us to understand the fervent nature of certainty... http://palebluedot.ytmnd.com/ Turn on your speakers and listen to the sounds of the cosmos... ---- :Author: Harry Lime (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:09:45 PDT Thanks Brian: I Hear the Music, I Smell the Uplift -- I Can Even Taste The Light :) ------ **"Let Herstory Do the Talking..."** .. image:: /group/oclu/file/1872276/7.41.11367972417/get/mrlime.gif **"...as History Books the flight :)"** *(...is it the ginko-biloba kicking in? I'm on a mini-roll tonight :)* Brian Lewis said: And perhaps this will lead us to understand the fervent nature of certainty... http://palebluedot.ytmnd.com/ Turn on your speakers and listen to the sounds of the cosmos... ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:59:25 PDT I flew around like mad to get ready, and before forty- eight hours I was crossing the Channel to show myself to my employers, and sign the contract. In a very few hours I arrived in a city that always makes me think of a whited sepulcher. Prejudice no doubt. I had no difficulty in finding the Company's offices. It was the biggest thing in the town, and everybody I met was full of it. They were going to run an over-sea empire, and make no end of coin by trade. "A narrow and deserted street in deep shadow, high houses, innumerable windows with venetian blinds, a dead silence, grass sprouting between the stones, imposing carriage archways right and left, immense double doors standing ponderously ajar. I slipped through one of these cracks, went up a swept and ungarnished staircase, as arid as a desert, and opened the first door I came to. Two women, one fat and the other slim, sat on straw- bottomed chairs, knitting black wool. The slim one got up and walked straight at me--still knitting with downcast eyes--and only just as I began to think of getting out of her way, as you would for a somnambulist, stood still, and looked up. Her dress was as plain as an umbrella-cover, and she turned round without a word and preceded me into a waiting-room. I gave my name, and looked about. Deal table in the middle, plain chairs all round the walls, on one end a large shining map, marked with all the colors of a rainbow. There was a vast amount of red--good to see at any time, because one knows that some real work is done in there, a deuce of a lot of blue, a little green, smears of orange, and, on the East Coast, a purple patch, to show where the jolly pioneers of progress drink the jolly lager-beer. However, I wasn't going into any of these. I was going into the yellow. Dead in the center. And the river was there--fascinating--deadly--like a snake. Ough! A door opened, a white-haired secretarial head, but wearing a compassionate expression, appeared, and a skinny forefinger beckoned me into the sanctuary. Its light was dim, and a heavy writing-desk squatted in the middle. From behind that structure came out an impression of pale plumpness in a frock-coat. The great man himself. He was five feet six, I should judge, and had his grip on the handle-end of ever so many millions. He shook hands, I fancy, murmured vaguely, was satisfied with my French. Bon voyage. "In about forty-five seconds I found myself again in the waiting-room with the compassionate secretary, who, full of desolation and sympathy, made me sign some document. I believe I undertook amongst other things not to disclose any trade secrets. Well, I am not going to. "I began to feel slightly uneasy. You know I am not used to such ceremonies, and there was something ominous in the atmosphere. It was just as though I had been let into some conspiracy--I don't know--something not quite right; and I was glad to get out. In the outer room the two women knitted black wool feverishly. People were arriving, and the younger one was walking back and forth introducing them. The old one sat on her chair. Her flat cloth slippers were propped up on a foot-warmer, and a cat reposed on her lap. She wore a starched white affair on her head, had a wart on one cheek, and silver-rimmed spectacles hung on the tip of her nose. She glanced at me above the glasses. The swift and indifferent placidity of that look troubled me. Two youths with foolish and cheery countenances were being piloted over, and she threw at them the same quick glance of unconcerned wisdom. She seemed to know all about them and about me too. An eerie feeling came over me. She seemed uncanny and fateful. Often far away there I thought of these two, guarding the door of Darkness, knitting black wool as for a warm pall, one introducing, introducing continuously to the unknown, the other scrutinizing the cheery and foolish faces with unconcerned old eyes. Ave! Old knitter of black wool. Morituri te salutant. Not many of those she looked at ever saw her again--not half, by a long way. ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 18:35:27 PDT harry: stay away from the kool-aid, that's all i gotta say. even if the label sez its got ginko-hypatia-whatever in it... ---- :Author: Brian Lewis (CCAL30) :Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:30:00 PDT All the references to Herstory got me confused...and then I recalled an earlier discussion HerStory: A Defense of History's Most Hated Heroines http://www.omidyar.net/group/fp06/news/33/?searchterm=herstory To think--I started this and well...got caught it seems. ---- :Author: Sally "tending to small good things" :Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:50:01 PDT hello - glad to see that nothng has changed. every body is trying to talk things through by writing away and getting caught in the snare of their very try-to-be careful words. There are so many good people here, but o'net verifies my belief that this online world as a place of negotiation and collaboration has some VERY big challenges to overcome ... and I actually hope it never does ... because otherwise we would never get together in the flesh for lunch. I love it as a place for the initial volley, but the REAL work gets done offline.If we remember that we will all be OK. I think. ---- :Author: RicHARD ~The Anointed One~ Makepeace (CCAL30) :Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:32:00 PDT Thank you, Sally. I do not actually think that anyone ever told me that I was using "very try-to-be careful words." I think that only a most astute observer would be able to see me dodging between the dancing swords so I would not be ensnared. I think that peace can be made online, or anywhere that words touch OUR hearts with sincerity and compassion! Thank you again! Love hope and respect to you, RicH ---- :Author: Brian Lewis (CCAL30) :Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:59:25 PDT Any news about dinner? I am getting hungry! ---- :Author: Haney Armstrong (CCAL30) :Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:02:57 PDT Brian Lewis said: Any news about dinner? I am getting hungry! Check `this thread`_ for plans for members to get together at Net2. .. _`this thread` : /user/u962055606/news/163/ ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 21:10:42 PDT Brian Lewis said: Any news about dinner? I am getting hungry! It is noon; and Dough-Boy, the steward, thrusting his pale loaf-of-bread face from the cabin-scuttle, announces dinner to his lord and master; who, sitting in the lee quarter-boat, has just been taking an observation of the sun; and is now mutely reckoning the latitude on the smooth, medallion-shaped tablet, reserved for that daily purpose on the upper part of his ivory leg. Moby Dick I-LXVII by Herman Melville ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 21:13:49 PDT What you call healthy appetite I feel as Hunger's savage tooth: And, when no dinner is in sight, The dinner-bell's a sound of truth! Sylvie and Bruno by Carroll, Lewis ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 21:15:37 PDT Emma, in the meanwhile, could not be satisfied without a dinner at Hartfield for the Eltons. Emma by Jane Austen ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:09:00 PDT Some diners have wine too upon the table, and in the pauses of thinking what a divine mystery dinner is, they eat. The Quest of the Golden Girl by Richard le Gallienne, ---- :Author: Brian Lewis (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:31:05 PDT Tell the truth, Martin...when you want bread in Mexico the very best is BIMBO!!! ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:05:38 PDT "Let them eat Bimbo." ---- :Author: Brian Lewis (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:28:30 PDT hehehe ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:51:17 PDT And yet here I was perplexed again, for I neither knew how to grind or make meal of my corn, or indeed how to clean it and part it; nor, if made into meal, how to make bread of it; and if how to make it, yet I knew not how to bake it. Robinson Crusoe by Daniel Defoe ---- :Author: Brian Lewis (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:20:41 PDT If you use your Vitamix blender model 5000 with the grain attachment you will have no problem whatsoever...I do it all the time! Grinds the grain as coarse or as fine as you wish and the bread is so yummy! ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:44:20 PDT Thanks, friend. Robinson ---- :Author: Brian Lewis (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:04:27 PDT Talking about bimbos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUDIoN-_Hxs ---- :Author: Ana Leonardo Nassar de Oliveira :Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:39:50 PDT Dear Evonne, David Harris put me in touch with Julie Caldwell and also with Haney Armstrong. I am really excited to meet you all at the conference. I´ve been participating a lot in the Omidyar Network because of the Global Lives Project but I think this can be also a very good too for the Museum of the Person. We will talk more next week in San Jose!!! Ana. Evonne Heyning said: So exciting David! Please put Ana in touch with me; I'd love to meet her and learn more while we're there. Looking forward to seeing many of you at N2Y2. No good word on accomodations yet; let me know if you have good recommendations. ---- :Author: Julie Caldwell (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:55:29 PDT Ana, I have a car if you need a lift to and from or here and there. Haney, is it possible for Ana to join us for dinner? http://www.omidyar.net/user/u962055606/news/163/25/ Maybe Thomas could send her an invitation (being a newbie and all and coming all the way from Brazil)? ---- :Author: Harry Lime (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:47:17 PDT Now that sounds nice: bringing people together, not putting your "brand-name.biz" -- before the network -- not "keeping your distance" -- from people because they don't think exactly alike :) =============== **"Why can't we all just..."** .. image:: /group/oclu/file/1872276/7.41.11367972417/get/mrlime.gif **"...get along :("** ================ Julie Caldwell said: Ana, I have a car if you need a lift to and from or here and there. Haney, is it possible for Ana to join us for dinner? http://www.omidyar.net/user/u962055606/news/163/25/ Maybe Thomas could send her an invitation (being a newbie and all and coming all the way from Brazil)? ---- :Author: Haney Armstrong (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 17:57:48 PDT Julie Caldwell said: Haney, is it possible for Ana to join us for dinner? Ana has accepted the invite. ---- :Author: Harry Lime (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 18:21:39 PDT That's cool. It's nice to see people put things together -- as a team, to make things work -- even while others continue to stew in lonely acts of negativity :( ======= Wow -- it looks like a new name has topped my negative list -- and this somebody hit me with something like 60-to-80 negative feedback points (and I have her down for +3). **Isn't that a bit excessive?** And not only that: unlike positives, which can be done in threes -- you can only dish out negatives -- one point per screen -- where does she get all this negativity? That must have taken a lot of time :) ========== Haney Armstrong said: Julie Caldwell said: Haney, is it possible for Ana to join us for dinner? Ana has accepted the invite. ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 19:35:45 PDT Harry Lime said: ... to stew in lonely acts of negativity :( She had eaten the meal that had been brought her by Mohammed Beyd's Negro slave--a meal of cassava cakes and a nondescript stew in which a new-killed monkey, a couple of squirrels and the remains of a zebra, slain the previous day, were impartially and unsavorily combined; but the one-time Baltimore belle had long since submerged in the stern battle for existence, an estheticism which formerly revolted at much slighter provocation. Tarzan and the Jewels of Opar by Edgar Rice Burroughs ---- :Author: Brad Byrne (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 19:58:38 PDT cool!! 31 more negatives for Harry brings him back to 666!! hehehe!! what a soap opera! ONet is!! :) ---- :Author: Julie Caldwell (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 20:22:12 PDT Haney Armstrong said: Julie Caldwell said: Haney, is it possible for Ana to join us for dinner? Ana has accepted the invite. .... How wonderful. Thank you. ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 20:53:11 PDT Sylvie cried, too much excited by the controversy to limit the number of her negatives. Sylvie and Bruno by Carroll, Lewis ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 20:54:35 PDT As explained by Professor Summerlee, our cameras have been tampered with by the ape-men when they ransacked our camp, and most of our negatives ruined. The Lost World Sir Arthur Conan Doyle ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 20:57:16 PDT Why then I should have said, two negatives make an affirmative. Imagination and Heart by James Fenimore Cooper ---- :Author: Harry Lime (CCAL30) :Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 22:07:52 PDT :Modified: Fri, 25 May 2007 22:08:58 PDT You're quoting book I either wished I finished or read: ===== You are one articulate hombre! ------ Martín Rizzi * Mexico said: Why then I should have said, two negatives make an affirmative. Imagination and Heart by James Fenimore Cooper ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 22:52:50 PDT A good many of these people are there for a real purpose, however; they are racked with rheumatism, and they are there to stew it out in the hot baths. A Tramp Abroad by Mark Twain ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 13:27:08 PDT ah martín, what a few minutes on google can get you these days ;P ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 18:53:16 PDT "I read," I say. "I study and read. I bet I've read everything you read. Don't think I haven't. I consume libraries. I wear out spines and ROM-drives. I do things like get in a taxi and say, "The library, and step on it." My instincts concerning syntax and mechanics are better than your own, I can tell, with all due respect. But it transcends the mechanics. I'm not a machine. I feel and believe. I have opinions. Some of them are interesting. I could, if you'd let me, talk and talk." David Foster Wallace, "Infinite Jest" ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 18:59:42 PDT I can't bear to see such crowds of eager little fellows at the libraries reading such trash; weak, when it is not wicked, and totally unfit to feed the hungry minds that feast on it for want of something better. Eight Cousins Louisa May Alcott, ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 19:03:48 PDT Secondly, nearly all these young ladies subscribe to circulating libraries. American Notes for General Circulation Charles Dickens ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 19:05:25 PDT But I have swam through libraries and sailed through oceans; I have had to do with whales with these visible hands; I am in earnest; and I will try. Moby Dick I-LXVII by Herman Melville ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 19:15:22 PDT "Remember that you are a human being with a soul and the divine gift of articulate speech: that your native language is the language of Shakespeare and Milton and The Bible; and don't sit there crooning like a bilious pigeon." George Bernard Shaw, "Pygmalion" ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 19:28:15 PDT “Here have I known the pigeon to fly for forty long years, and, till you made your clearings, there was nobody to skeart or to hurt them, I loved to see them come into the woods, for they were company to a body, hurting nothing. The Pioneers James Fenimore Cooper ---- :Author: Harry Lime (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 01:51:25 PDT :Modified: Sun, 27 May 2007 01:52:26 PDT Once Again (my intellectual laziness...): Rizzi, Alexis de Tocqueville, Joseph Conrad, Melville, and Twain :) ========== Martín Rizzi * Mexico said: A good many of these people are there for a real purpose, however; they are racked with rheumatism, and they are there to stew it out in the hot baths. A Tramp Abroad by Mark Twain ---- :Author: Michael Maranda (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 07:18:35 PDT Lars Hasselblad Torres said: "I read," I say. "I study and read. I bet I've read everything you read. Don't think I haven't. I consume libraries. I wear out spines and ROM-drives. I do things like get in a taxi and say, "The library, and step on it." My instincts concerning syntax and mechanics are better than your own, I can tell, with all due respect. But it transcends the mechanics. I'm not a machine. I feel and believe. I have opinions. Some of them are interesting. I could, if you'd let me, talk and talk." David Foster Wallace, "Infinite Jest" Just picked up "A supposedly fun thing" for airtravel reading the other day. ---- :Author: Debbie Gleason (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:14:32 PDT I was up until almost 2 AM reading through this entire thread. Coming here two weeks late and a lot of dollars short. Harry, I do love you. But, ya know, grace and tact are not exactly your strong suit. A little gentleness would go a long way. But I do believe your heart is in the right place, even if your method of quesitoning leaves much to be desired. When you put things this way, who is gonna listen? All of us in the peanut gallery might cheer you on, but frankly, I wouldn't want to be on the sharp end of your pointy stick. Yeah, it's unfortuante that Jean overreacted, but I might, too, if I were under your scrutiny. Then again, maybe not, but I do know I'd likely feel a bit of discomfort. Jean is allowed to nurture herself. Jean is allowed to establish boundaries. If you don't nurture yourself, then you cannot effectively nurture others. Now, granted, things perhaps could have been said with more sensitivity, but I've got this beam in my eye. Maybe you fellas can help me pull it out. Sometimes I have my more sensitivy and gracious moments and other times, eh, not so much. It's too easy to view things from the peanut gallery without knowing all the facts and backstory here. And I am not going to presume to do it. I love and support both Jean and Julie, regardless of rough edges that I may perceive. And I do so fully knowing of my own rough edges, and fervently hoping that people would be kind enough and gracious enough and compassionate enough to cut me slack as necessary. Both these women are wonderful people, in my estimation. If Jean needs to protect herself right now, however, then she shouldn't have to explain herself to Julie, to RicHARD, to Harry, to me, or to ANYONE. Fully using RicHARD's maxim here: Never explain. Your friends don't need it. Your enemies won't believe it. Jean, I hope that you are able to regain perspective. And perhaps learn a certain finesse in terms of how you express yourself when situations require a certain delicacy. And do try to remember that Harry does actually mean well, even if it's in his own inimitable bull in a china shop kinda way. Please consider unnegging him. This is not who I know you to be. You are better than that. Harry will question, and maybe rightly so. Or perhaps not. Only you can know just how accurate is Harry's aim. As RicHie said, Harry is gonna be Harry, and if he behaves differently, like RicHARD, I'd be worried. Matter of fact, I'd be ready to drive out with a cold compress and chicken soup. Main thing is, take a deep breath and remember who you are in this matter. The Jean I know is not petty and vindictive. Harry obviously got under your skin. Was it warranted? Is there something you need to learn from his questions and communication even as you try to tell the rest of us, implicitly that Harry is a troll? That's a gray area. Harry is a truth seeking missle and not merely here to stir the pot, so I would say, no, he's not. And maybe, just maybe, you could learn from him, too, if you are open to it. And, Julie, I do always intend to catch up with you. I see you struggling here and really hurt by Jean's appearant rejection. Ow, yeah, I reckon that would sting. And reasons for not wanting to be that closely connected are not that clearly stated. At least not to me. So I can understand you desiring more information. But right now you just need to let go. Just flat out let go. Maybe Jean will tell you some day in more concrete language just what bugs her. But maybe she never will. And you will have to find a way to accept that. Otherwise you come across in a way you wouldn't want to. And that is as kind of needy. That said, yes, I do believe you deserve better. But it's best not to force that. I say this as a woman who has attempted to force explanations and connections and all kinds of conversations. And I am still plenty stupid about this kinda stuff. Here. Lemme get that mote out of your eye. So, believe me, I do have a great deal of empathy for you. Wincing with you. Not at you. The more you can let go, the better off things will be. I hope some day that things can be better resolved because Julie and Jean are both very admirable women, and hopefully collaboration might somehow be possible down the road if not right now. ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:30:04 PDT I do not judge at all, Jean. The Return of Tarzan by Edgar Rice Burroughs The prisoner's prayer ended in a sigh of ecstasy; his lips met those of the maiden, -- not by chance, nor by stratagem, but as Saint-Preux's was to meet the lips of Julie a hundred years later. The Black Tulip by Alexandre Dumas ---- :Author: Brad Byrne (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 15:38:52 PDT :Modified: Sun, 27 May 2007 15:39:06 PDT hehe, We have to take Harry with a grain of salt, or is that a sot of grain? I mean LOOK at those eyes!! that is one hell of a hang-over!! I think we should commend him for being as articulate as he is! ------ .. image:: /group/oclu/file/1872276/7.41.11367972417/get/mrlime.gif :) ---- :Author: RicHARD ~The Anointed One~ Makepeace (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 16:24:40 PDT I don't think we should take Harry with a grain of salt. I think WE oughta pound salt up his tutu. However, negatively point-bombing anyone's **SPEECH**, even Harry's, to ME is just *WRONG!* Empowering Harry to do good things is what I'm all about! ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:37:48 PDT "One might take that with a grain of salt," I remarked sceptically. The Mysterious Affair at Styles by Agatha Christie ---- :Author: Harry Lime (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 19:13:59 PDT I know that it is his choice, but how come Mark Grimes never awards me with "Openness and Candor" points :( ------- How am I supposed to learn to "Play-Nice" ??? Mark Grimes said: >>Good things when trying to close deals.<< I don't agree those are good things when trying to close deals, but points for openess and candor. ---- :Author: Lars Hasselblad Torres :Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 19:24:52 PDT "Mr. President, we had straight talk today with openness and candor, and as a result, it seems to me that the relationship between your country and mine has increased very significantly." President Gerald Ford to President Escheverria, 1974 ---- :Author: Brad Byrne (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 19:38:53 PDT Is this kinda like Open & Candor Space! :) ---- ---- :Author: RicHARD ~The Anointed One~ Makepeace (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 20:09:18 PDT Wait an effen minute! Mark gives people open and candor points? How come I ain't got none? ---- :Author: Harry Lime (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 20:15:48 PDT IMHO (starting with NOW): Let's Start Each Comment --> With a Smile :) -------------- *...it's contagious!* .. image :: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/01/MickeyRooney_publ.jpg **Some Time Ago** Some time ago, Deep down inside, there was a negative voice that cried: "your just not cut out for the NBA" *(Being fat, unathletic, 35 ...)* And Although, These words did sting at first: Through this hurt, I did stop wasting time :) **"That's a a poem..."** .. image :: http://www.omidyar.net/group/oclu/file/1872276/7.41.11367972417/get/mrlime.gif **"...by Harry ~ Tuff-Luv'n ~ Lime"** ---- :Author: Brad Byrne (CCAL30) :Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 20:48:06 PDT :Modified: Sun, 27 May 2007 20:57:35 PDT :) OK **Open candere stew** The candle stick does need no wick when eyes wide open new the closed up mind is a defenseful kind, and bondage is sure true openness brings freedom and fear has not a chance when minds do ring that only strangers can sing "gifts of brightly shining candere stew" **"That's a a poem..." ... by B :)** ---- :Author: Harry Lime (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 04:49:56 PDT :Modified: Mon, 28 May 2007 04:58:13 PDT Deb I think that your balanced note has certainly had it's effect :) ---- (and i really didn't escalate things recently ) no new people on my negative list and I'm about another 80pts down -258 <---- I'm sure I got the negative "all-time-record" -- which is no small source of pride :) And please everyone who was kind enough to re-dress the last nurture-slam :) Don't waste any additional points on me, I don't need any additional points -- that sort of stuff was never my bag. I just want to let people know how truly, disproportionately, embittered and mean spirited -- not to mention humorless :) some people can be :( And such hubris -- such intolerance, such humorless self-absorption :( I got better things to do :) FYI :) Here is something that I think applies, (got the link from from a Mark Grimes post): `The Genius of the Crowd`_ .. _`The Genius of the Crowd` : http://www.veoh.com/videoDetails.html;jsessionid=67921539EE1B175E8409219CE3C02835?v=e103324FkpBdhBe ========================================== Debbie Gleason said: I was up until almost 2 AM reading through this entire thread. Coming here two weeks late and a lot of dollars short. Harry, I do love you. But, ya know, grace and tact are not exactly your strong suit. A little gentleness would go a long way. But I do believe your heart is in the right place, even if your method of quesitoning leaves much to be desired. When you put things this way, who is gonna listen? All of us in the peanut gallery might cheer you on, but frankly, I wouldn't want to be on the sharp end of your pointy stick. Yeah, it's unfortuante that Jean overreacted, but I might, too, if I were under your scrutiny. Then again, maybe not, but I do know I'd likely feel a bit of discomfort. Jean is allowed to nurture herself. Jean is allowed to establish boundaries. If you don't nurture yourself, then you cannot effectively nurture others. Now, granted, things perhaps could have been said with more sensitivity, but I've got this beam in my eye. Maybe you fellas can help me pull it out. Sometimes I have my more sensitivy and gracious moments and other times, eh, not so much. It's too easy to view things from the peanut gallery without knowing all the facts and backstory here. And I am not going to presume to do it. I love and support both Jean and Julie, regardless of rough edges that I may perceive. And I do so fully knowing of my own rough edges, and fervently hoping that people would be kind enough and gracious enough and compassionate enough to cut me slack as necessary. Both these women are wonderful people, in my estimation. If Jean needs to protect herself right now, however, then she shouldn't have to explain herself to Julie, to RicHARD, to Harry, to me, or to ANYONE. Fully using RicHARD's maxim here: Never explain. Your friends don't need it. Your enemies won't believe it. Jean, I hope that you are able to regain perspective. And perhaps learn a certain finesse in terms of how you express yourself when situations require a certain delicacy. And do try to remember that Harry does actually mean well, even if it's in his own inimitable bull in a china shop kinda way. Please consider unnegging him. This is not who I know you to be. You are better than that. Harry will question, and maybe rightly so. Or perhaps not. Only you can know just how accurate is Harry's aim. As RicHie said, Harry is gonna be Harry, and if he behaves differently, like RicHARD, I'd be worried. Matter of fact, I'd be ready to drive out with a cold compress and chicken soup. Main thing is, take a deep breath and remember who you are in this matter. The Jean I know is not petty and vindictive. Harry obviously got under your skin. Was it warranted? Is there something you need to learn from his questions and communication even as you try to tell the rest of us, implicitly that Harry is a troll? That's a gray area. Harry is a truth seeking missle and not merely here to stir the pot, so I would say, no, he's not. And maybe, just maybe, you could learn from him, too, if you are open to it. And, Julie, I do always intend to catch up with you. I see you struggling here and really hurt by Jean's appearant rejection. Ow, yeah, I reckon that would sting. And reasons for not wanting to be that closely connected are not that clearly stated. At least not to me. So I can understand you desiring more information. But right now you just need to let go. Just flat out let go. Maybe Jean will tell you some day in more concrete language just what bugs her. But maybe she never will. And you will have to find a way to accept that. Otherwise you come across in a way you wouldn't want to. And that is as kind of needy. That said, yes, I do believe you deserve better. But it's best not to force that. I say this as a woman who has attempted to force explanations and connections and all kinds of conversations. And I am still plenty stupid about this kinda stuff. Here. Lemme get that mote out of your eye. So, believe me, I do have a great deal of empathy for you. Wincing with you. Not at you. The more you can let go, the better off things will be. I hope some day that things can be better resolved because Julie and Jean are both very admirable women, and hopefully collaboration might somehow be possible down the road if not right now. ---- :Author: RicHARD ~The Anointed One~ Makepeace (CCAL30) :Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 09:15:30 PDT Harry Lime said: And please everyone who was kind enough to re-dress the last nurture-slam :) Don't waste any additional points on me, I don't need any additional points -- that sort of stuff was never my bag. Harry, you mad, dis-functional swami, don't tell me what to do with MY points, Buddy! Although, I agree that YOU probably don't need any more points! Ya mostly need a strait-jacket, but that's not MY decision. I am sorta curious about how you manage to avoid THEM mental-health characters in your own neck of the woods. I got some tips IF ya need THEM. It was nice in the old days when ya could just kill assholes with impunity. NOW THEY effen control everything, so it is harder! WHO died and left THEM in charge anyway? I just want to let people know how truly, disproportionately, embittered and mean spirited -- not to mention humorless :) some people can be :( And such hubris -- such intolerance, such humorless self-absorption :( Harry, do YOU truly believe that there are any people left in the world who need to be shown "how truly, disproportionately, embittered and mean spirited -- not to mention humorless :) some people can be :(" I am understanding what YOU are saying and I am even in great sympathy. I am wondering whether, or not, the reality-web version of exposé works. I'm not suggesting a posse either, but I am asking, "What works best?" I got better things to do :) I hope this comment does not include answering me. WE could even start another thread to discuss what works when we're confronted with conflict in cyber-space? I am about as humorless, self-absorbed and intolerant as people come. I ain't looking to upset you, or Jean. Well, at least not enough to earn me too many negatives. ---- :Author: Martín Rizzi * Mexico :Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 10:01:39 PDT In not one of all my cl