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Posted to: lost in the FOOD CHAIN moved to Ned.com by John Berger (CCAL30) (1000), Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:13:41 PDT
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I had not looked at prosper in a while and went back to it today to see how things were going. I was particularly interested in finding out if there was anyone successfully using it for large business loans or if there was a trend in rates showing that lenders are interested in socially responsible investing.
These conclusions may be wrong as I am getting the data from their search function which only shows current listings – does anyone have a better sense of it?
My first conclusion is that there is no point requesting large loans in prosper – I have seen no large loans funded but that could be just during the listing periods I can search.
I also don’t see any evidence of charitable lending being the norm.
There are already a lot of complaints in the lender forum about bad loans so there may be a lot of defaults already – I saw nowhere where I could get data on that
Am I missing something?
By John Berger (CCAL30) (1000), Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:48:19 PDT
Edited: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:50:34 PDT
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Here is an interesting site - there are several others like it that have been started I suspect with their own profit models in development: http://www.savagenumber.com/
By John Berger (CCAL30) (1000), Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:14:48 PDT
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If you download the excel file from the report you can do some analysis. I took a look at loans over $20,000 as that is what I am interested in.
If the data is complete, there have been 1137 request for loans over 20,000 of which 43 were funded, 2 HR, 3 C, 8 B and the rest A or AA. The average rate is 14% - the average rate for the A and AA is 13.4%.
So this supports my conclusion that Prosper is not yet a good place for anyone looking for large loans. Using this data alone there it would laborious to see if people are offering lower rates for social returns.
In general it seems like only 9% of loans are funded so given the supply demand imbalance I doubt we will see any big changes to the above conclusions until Prosper attracts more lenders. The current sweet spot for loan size seems to be 3,000-5,000.
The reason I did this research is that I had a idea on how to use prosper as part of a funding strategy for some of TEN’s partners. I think the idea could work, but it is too early.
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By Luke Martin (1846), Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:15:04 PDT
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John, if you know, how do Prosper's funded numbers compare to more conventional loan? I'd guess they're way lower than credit cards or personal lines of credit, but I'm just guessing.
By John Berger (CCAL30) (1000), Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:45:25 PDT
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Luke – that question is harder to answer than it seems it should be. The problem is that I don’t really think the prosper credit score system is in any way comparable to the analysis a bank or lending company would do so I don’t believe comparisons would be valid.
It also depends on where you want to look on the curve. For A and AA my gut is that prosper rates are higher than market. For B loans – 14% for a $6000 unsecured loan seem about market but again would really depend on more data about the borrower. D and E loans in the low 20s may be a good deal for prosper borrowers.
As a lender calculating rates is an even bigger problem since the default rates in prosper will likely be higher than traditional lending.
By Prosper Shira (20), Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:48:26 PDT
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Hi guys,
Shira from Prosper here. The cause-related listings I have seen get funded have been in cause-related groups.
My best suggestion is to join or start a cause-related group and make a very clear case that X% interest (low number) is a better deal for your cause than your current credit card option or whatever else your options are. Clearly define what the money will go toward (break it down), and see what happens. Here is an Omidyar Net group: https://www.prosper.com/public/groups/group_home.aspx?group_short_name=foodchain in which I bet a listing would get funded due to the high community aspect of this...universe.
If you visit Prosper's discussion forums, many group leaders post links to their blogs where they give great borrower suggestions about how to create a perfect listing.
You can also email me directly for encouragement; shira@prosper.com
Hope this helps,
Shira
By ted ernst (CCAL30) (2630), Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:31:22 PDT
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I have more than $10,000 invested at Prosper right now, in more than 100 loans. About half of my loans are less than 30 days old, and of the rest, I have 2 that are late <15 days (one of those also paid late the first two months so isn't very worrying) and one late 2 months (has never paid, probably won't). Other lenders that I've talked with seem to have more late loans. I think it's still too young for technical defaults. We'll see.
I'm not sure I see lack of lenders as the issue. I see a lack of good borrowers. I'm finding it hard to place my money.
As far as social lending, I haven't seen it at all, but I also haven't been on the boards very much in more than a month.
By Luke Martin (1846), Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:37:12 PDT
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Thanks for the update, Ted.
By Peter Rees (1222), Wed, 02 Aug 2006 23:20:56 PDT
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Ted said:
I'm not sure I see lack of lenders as the issue. I see a lack of good borrowers. I'm finding it hard to place my money.
Oh Ted you're sounding like a foundation. Welcome to my world.
What needs to change? - see bold
By Luke Martin (1846), Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:31:57 PDT
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I haven't heard whether Mark and Ted are still prosper-ing. Would be curious to hear the state of the state over there.