Good points, John!

I recall that as a child I once gardened for a woman who insisted on cultivating weeds (no, not herbs -- weeds ;).

Anyways (or rather: However): Who thinks there is a difference between disagreement and noise? I think I can disagree with someone in a very clear way. Am I being clear, John?

I realize it's probably nitpicking, but I think what you said in another thread today about liking how adults can disagree and nonetheless maintain a modicum of civility would be spot on in this case.

Now I'm gonna go take a bath (always a good answer to mud wrestling at o.net ;) !!

:D nmw