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Seemingly endless appreciation of Appreciation

Posted to: RicHARD ~The Anointed One~ Makepeace (CCAL30) (2360) by RicHARD ~The Anointed One~ Makepeace (CCAL30) (2360), Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:25:42 PST
Edited: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:04:16 PST
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THIS IS A HALF-EDITTED POST!! IT IS GOOD ENOUGH TO READ AND REPLY TO, BUT IT IS NOT FINISHED YET 14 February 2007 12:30PM

Netscape and Explorer have crashed half a dozen times while I was working hard to edit this drivel. Mayhaps that is a sign from god, but ALL the Gods be damned, I am going to finish this fucking thing. Period. **Let YOUR god be warned!!* AND I do not use the G-word lightly, though the MF word just slip right out. Keep that in mind!! Love, 9th Street RicHie*

Imagine a BIG Disclaimer here!! Is there a lawyer in the house? This is long: 2500+plus words with little or no comic relief.

For those of you, like me, who are completely in the dark even after reading it, this is a conversation between Diane T, of appreciation-fame and me about what to do to be a CO-Leader at the Appreciation Ping-Pong Game.

Diane's appreciation sites are strings that I fully support, even IF folks can't tell my appreciating from my reglar HillBilly-Ebonics, though I might not be able to find the strings again without asking Mike Maranda, or Mark.

My best advice is: SKIP OVER this without reading. I do not write for any particular audience, nor with writing like mine, could I fairly expect an audience. I know that most Web-denizens skip reading my crap and Ii am quite comfortable with personal choice. I take the same route myself many times, though not as often as I’d like.

Those of you who are compassionate enough, masochistic enough, or brave enough to still be here, or simply bored: Read on McDuff:

Diane, I beg your pardon, but I am going to post this to your AppreciationBlog, so you can take it down IF you need to: Up, or down is exactly the same to me.

I did not write it for anyone, yourself included, as I am not interested in changing anyone or anything, except myself and my own behavior. Nor were your comments, directly related to, or the cause of my responses in any manner. I guess that is sort of a disclaimer.

As you can see, my response has very little to do with you, or your comments. In fact, my response appears to follow no logic at all, even one of its own. That's scary.

I do not apologize: Either for appearing irrational, or seeming to be unreasonable. I proudly claim to be both, but not, unfortunately, with any consistency. Oh, to be consistent AND praiseworthy!! “Wouldn’t that be loverly?”

I will also mount this in my Personal News where no one except the nebulous authorities, or myself can remove it! Or maybe Norbert, Mark and Ted.

I know this discussion started out as a PM; I know that Web conventions assume that what is private will stay private, but I do not live by convention.

I have not invited ANY private speech into my life in more than two decades. My life is an open book. I am shooting for complete transparency. I do not think there is anything scandalous, or risqué in your post, or mine, but you may disagree.

I am NOT the final word on what is socially-acceptable: IF ya want good-housekeeping call Martha Stewart. She always seemed honest enough to me.

--- ~Diane T.~ wrote:

(( WOW! You also have a lot of wisdom and practical experience it seems. Is your comfort zone your left-brain or right-brain or integrated ying/yang circle, mind/body/spirit?

Well, I don't know about all of that, but I don’t seem to worry overmuch about anything -- usually. I never have; this used to be very frustrating to my brother when we ran our company. When worry gets on me, it is about like getting cold: When I don’t let myself get cold, I don’t have to shiver my way back to not being cold.

I only plug in my left-brain (logic) when I have to at work, when I am playing around as a volunteer, I prefer to be intuitive, visionary,(illogical) spontaneous, and just say what pops in my mind, without worrying about what people think. So do I have to get back into my left brain and answer logically?

I'm more like the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz. My comfort zone is not to think about shit at all. I’m fairly mindless on the whole. I don't worry about what answer will come out. Something will come out, or it won't! Either way, I will have an answer cause basically I'm brainless AND out of my mind.

I only hope that I will learn as much from the answer as I did from the question. I have not worried about LOGICAL answers for many decades. I no longer believe that logic of any kind exists, but please do not tell Lars, or Norbert. Though even Jere Hough might rise to that one! Oddly, I do believe in CommonSense.

OK, if you ask me, first, read the vision at the AppreciationBlog(tm) in Omidyar. Then share with me what comes into your mind, ask Higher Power ("HP" or God or the Buddha within you), how can you be truly helpful to realize your highest potential within the context of that vision. Then let me know what you heard.

I will go and “read the vision at the AppreciationBlog(tm).” I hope it is vision as in vision statement and not a vision as in vision from on High. In any event, I will share what comes into my mind, though I don't have much communication with HP, Higher Power, God or Buddha; I'm kinda okay if They All just leave me alone. I kinda deal with Them Cats on the They-don’t-bother-ME-and-Ii-won’t bother-Them system. The Gods seem to have accepted that arrangement: And I do not use the G-word lightly. Except in sublime moments of rapture . . .

I don't know quite what you mean about realizing my "highest potential within the context of that vision," but I'm sure that I will get an answer, or I won't, but either way that will be the answer. That's a fair tough question about being helpful, even the idea of being helpful is questionable to me. I'm not sure whether any of US are all that helpful.

Second, think of people who made a positive difference in your life, and acknowledge them so you are in peace since no one guarantees we will be around tomorrow, even though we probably will be around many decades. Best to share your appreciation while you can and you will have no regrets no matter what.

I've already done this. Ii am at peace. Ii want for nothing. Ii have no regrets. Ii have no resentment, or animosity toward anyone. In a proper TwelveStep program, this is called “doing the Steps,” but I’ve had more therapy than Woody Allen as well.

My friends think I over do it with the appreciation thing. And with the apology thing, which TwelveSteppers call, “making amends.” Strangers sometimes think I’m mocking, or insincere when I “shower” them with love and affection, but I don’t care much what strangers think either. I work very hard at being civil, and polite though.

I was reading one of Gandhi's later books and I heard him say something like what I wrote above about being at peace. I was eighteen or nineteen at the time and I thought, What nonsense?! How could you not be angry at someone?

It took me another twenty years to understand what Gandhi meant, but loving acceptance isn't really all that difficult.

Whenever I am uneasy, I deal with it in exactly that moment, assuming I realize my immediate stupidity. When I do not realize it in the moment, for some breach of attention, or compassion, I go back and fix it the very next moment that I am conscious of missing it the first time. One cannot be attentive and compassionate every moment, except for weird priests of one kind or another. Usually, my little issues are pretty minor in the Grand Scheme of things anyway.

Third, think of all the people in Omidyar who have make this such an interesting website. One person at a time, sincerely appreciate Pierre and Pam Omidyar, their staff, the active members, and all the members, one at a time. Find something you can sincerely appreciate, taking nothing for granted.

Many of the people that I appreciate from omidyar have been shouted down or run off for one reason or another. Appreciating THEM would probably just open old wounds.

I was gonna write here that I don't really appreciate Pierre and Pam Omidyar that much, but my hand sorta stopped me, because that's not exactly what I meant, and it is plainly not true in its particulars. I do appreciate the Omidyars a lot, in the same way that I appreciate Andrew Carnegie.

I love eBay, though I never get the deal I think I will and I really really love omidyar – although that love is tempered by an abiding frustration, much of the time. There are people here that I deeply and truly love, who I consider part of my family, my community, my tribe: Everything that I have is theirs. I’ll make a list for you one day: I promise.

I wish the Omidyars well. They are doing good work everywhere and rightfully getting the kudos for that work.

I wish for the Omidyars, everything that I wish for myself, or for those who I love; everything that I wish for all of US and not in any abstract way. I wish for the Omidyars, exactly what I wish for you, Miz Diane.

I wish them love, freedom, and the on-going care and comfort of those around them. I pray that their family and friends and communities are safe and happy every minute of every day – every instance when happy-safety is possible for any of US and I do not use the P-word lightly. I wish the Omidyars joyous interesting fun lives filled with peace and success in everything they do.

I admire what the Omidyars have attempted what little I know about them. I respect the Omidyars as fellow humyn beings. I would freely give them whatever aid and comfort were available to me. I understand exchanging aid and comfort, to be the basic obligation of community, as well as the minimum expression of one’s humynity. I work hard not to judge Others by those same standards.

On the other hand, I have never interacted with Pam and Pierre very much. I once saw Pam on a quotations string, but even then we didn't interact. I don't have anything against the Omidyars. I don't have anything against anyone here and having spent more than a year at O-net, that is quite a statement.

On the other hand, I do not hate Osama bin Laden, or George Bush. Reagan came as close as anyone ever has, to really annoying me, but I got over it with a little help from my friends. Then he died. I didn’t shed any tears, but I do believe that I was diminished by his death, just as the brutal murder of Saddam Hussein, diminished all people who love freedom and who cherish life and liberty.

I'm not sure whether ponying up the money for this site is such a big thing. I think the entire web should be free, phones and televisions and radios too for that matter. I think the few pennies, comparatively speaking, the Omidyars put toward this site is more than returned by the positive value they receive in publicity and goodwill. There are plenty of free sites around the web that work just as well, are equally socially-concerned, and where one is not constantly bombarded with how generous the hosts are.

I think everybody ought to give everything away; once someone has enough to live on, AND their needs met, the rest needs to be shared. I think most philanthropists could give away more, and give it away quicker.

I don’t mean to minimize the Omidyar’s contribution; I bless people who put a nickel in the beggar’s cup. I’m the guy who passes the hat for the kitchen help and the band. I know the value of a dollar, as well as anyone who will ever read this.

I am very grateful for this site and for the chance this site, not the Omidyars, have given me to develop deep emotional and social bonds.

But . . . IF I weren’t at this site, I’d be somewhere else doing exactly the same thing. I do think that O-net is better than many other places that I have been on the Web FOR ME because early on a majority of folks here spoke up and defended my First Amendment rights that I was going to exercise anyway. People here also, very quickly got used to, the odd mixture of hillbilly-Ebonics, which I sometimes mistake for speech.

This site has given me the opportunity to meet a lot of great people, yourself included, but there are thousands of free sites where I could have done the same thing. This site wasn’t a success simply because the Omidyars gave a small fortune to set it up and to maintain it. Folks inside and outside of this site made this site a success. The money that the Omidyars have, buys them much better access to a soapbox in the public square, but many others have helped this site along and are responsible for the soapbox and the square being available to ALL of US.

When eBay and the Omidyars started out, they had the same chances of success and failure as everybody else. Those dot.coms were go, go, go and then they were goners; I think everyone from that background knows that their success was largely trial and error; things coulda gone the other way just as easily. All entrepreneurs know what a dice toss starting and running a business is. I’ve never spoken with one small business owner who didn’t thank their lucky stars for at least part of their success. That the Omidyar’s small business, grew to be so large was a lucky blessing in addition to their effort.

WE are all blessed to be wherever WE are. Where WE are though, is a delicate balance, strengthened once an idea takes hold; but once an idea takes hold, that idea gives the people more access to all the tools and venues that the expression of success needs.

WE, who consider ourselves successful, are then increasingly LUCKY.

George Bush, who isn’t nearly as righteous, clever, or honest as most of my immediate friends, has a much better chance of being on the six o’clock news than THEY do even though he very probably doesn’t deserve either the attention, or the access. The world is neither fair nor sane. But some of US are extremely lucky.

I do admire Thomas and Haney and the rest of the omidyar staff that I have interacted with here. I think they work hard and that they are knowledgeable and friendly. I think omidyar is a well-run, constantly improving site. I love it here and I am glad that Mark and Ted and Norbert permit me to stay here. I wish the Omidyars and even Dubya continued success of every kind, but I know that any kind of success, is but one small measure of worth and value. I believe that Pierre and Pam work hard, that they are sincere generous loving people, and that they deserve their success but hell, I think that of almost everyone. On those rare occasions when I am thoughtful.

And I am working on thinking better about the rest. Because thought and love are in me, not floating around the Universe without rhyme or reason. WE don’t fall in love just because love occasionally falls on US. I can begin to think better of Others, at just about ANY moment. Thank god for that: And I do not use the G-word lightly.

Study their profile, see what interests you share, see how they are contributing, see how active they are which reflects how much time they are contributing to this site, etc. This is appreciation-conditioning exercises for you to shape you as a co-leader.

I already take these actions. I spread my points and goodwill around as much as I can, probably much more than desired or warranted by my tiny skill-set. I leave people little notes and pick-me-ups, as I call ‘em everywhere on this site. I work hard to do this in my day-to-day life as well. I send cards. I open doors. I kneel down and help the crying child, lost soul, or the old lady with the untied shoe. Again: I see these things to be the basic obligations of community, as well as the minimum expression my humanity. I give openly and freely whatever aid and comfort is available to me.

I will continue to do what I have always done at omidyar: Wander around like a lost child, crying in the wilderness, and sticking my nose in where it don’t belong. I’m good at that sort of wandering, only because it is my nature. And I do not agree that activity levels, here or anywhere else, are any indicator of how much someone contributes. I’ve known lots and lots of carpenters who worked like hell and didn’t get nothing done with the whole day. Showing up, and wearing buttons, isn’t enough, although it is the core.

As you know, one of the responsibilities of a co-leader is to make sure the energy and people environment are safe, creative, positive and foster productivity, good morale and prosperity. We help other leaders do this providing positive energy, interest and support for its users, staff, others.

I firmly believe that safety, creativity, and positive insights “foster productivity, good morale and prosperity.” I also believe that the falsely positive outlook that hides issues rather than explores them, is worse than negativity and complaining. I think that people who use their positive or negative points to cut off discussion that they do not wish to hear are the worst sorts of cowards and despots. Bribery and force are not positive, creative, or productive; they are pernicious and cowardly.

I think it is a leader’s job to give the smallest voices a chance, to listen to the loudest voices and bring the two views to the table fairly. I think it is a leader’s duty to be a whistle-blower and to support whistle-blowers. I think it is a leader’s job to take ALL complaints, and compliments for that matter, seriously and to investigate anything that bothers a team member.

I think it is a leader’s job to model the behavior that they wish to see from their team or their families.

I don’t think manipulating others into using the approved language is any sort of leadership; Attempting to fix other people’s language, or their views is a gentle form of fascist tyranny used by those whose ideas won’t make it in the marketplace on their own. Attempting to place one form of language over another is a despotism, only different from truncheons and gas chambers in its method, not in its ends.

After we complete these items and have fun doing it, then we are ready to appreciate others in the nation and world. Pick the people, situations, actions which are easiest for you to appreciate first. Have fun at this, it is good for everyone! You can do what you wish, but I believe we can't go too far wrong by keeping the above directions in mind as a way to give back and contribute to a beautiful community.

I actually have a different view of this idea as well. No surprise, eh? I start with those most difficult to appreciate and give love to. THEY are the best teachers. The folks out there already “doing good,” for lack of a better term, are surrounded by those who uplift them and worship them. It is “the least among these” who WE need to sit next to at the dinner table of community. WE need to learn to become like THEM, not to have THEM become like US. It seems a good idea to stick always to the good and the positive, but it is the most unlikely who have the most to contribute. This has ever been true.

I took a very long time in answering your mail and I hope that I did justice to OUR discussion, but I very much want you to know that I sense no harm from you, or from anyone at this site. I am a First Amendment Absolutist; I believe in free speech. I know how much MY free speech costs.

I also believe that conflict and controversy are not negative, even when they frighten me the most. I admire what you have been doing here and I wish you well. I will, of course, keep appreciating folks and things, but not because of them.

I do not love others for themselves. I love others for myself because loving beats every alternative that I have tried. When Ii love Others, I am filled with a feeling of loving.

Those of YOU from other planets may substitute the Spirit of Love, Christ’s Love, the Breath of a Living God, Sweet Baby Jesus, romantic love, or Beelzebub IF you need to, I only beg YOU, allow me to use MY own language.

Diane, good luck to you here. Once again I say that I will do anything I can to help your project(s) succeed here. Love hope and deep respect to you, RicH

Also, PLEASE help us to thank each person who has already contributed to the Appreciation Board(tm) to acknowledge them and thank them for their contribution and support! You know how to do this, just click the "reply" button and speak from your heart about how much all of us appreciate their comments. Thanks again for your kind assistance!

Two circumstances contribute to my replying to a post: I must be moved and I must have points to give to the person who started the string. It has been my habit to pay for ALL of my posts here at omidyar. I haven’t been rigid in this habit, but I have been fairly consistent as I am in most things.

I give my appreciation openly: I wear my heart on my sleeve.

I also wear my guns out where everybody can see them, I will not hesitate to respond to an appreciation, or ANY action at O-net, that I believe is out of line, or that falls from my good graces.

I will exercise, and zealously guard, both my right to speak positively and my right to speak negatively.

With appreciation,
Diane

With love,

The ever-long-winded RicH



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By Brad Byrne (CCAL30) (1378), Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:42:45 PST
Edited: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:44:21 PST
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hehehe!! Some Rich guy, a real 'Rich Guy' not RicH :) is missing the boat here, he could 'make a zillion' by giving our own beloved 'real RicH' his own 'talk show'!!

:)


By RicHARD ~The Anointed One~ Makepeace (CCAL30) (2360), Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:29:27 PST
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Vous me flattez, Monsewer! I betcha anything that I would be better than Rush Limberger and that other fat Nazi!


By Brad Byrne (CCAL30) (1378), Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:37:17 PST
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you know RicH, I'm being serious ;)

you really do have something here with market potential!!

why not put together a few pilot scripts? what would be your ideal theme? how bout an mtv show about the criminally nutz!! :)

the, real road back to society, or something,

where's Harry?

should get his take ;)

:)


By RicHARD ~The Anointed One~ Makepeace (CCAL30) (2360), Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:53:40 PST
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Harry is always MY standard. Many people ask what would Jesus do? I only ask, "What wouldn't Harry do?"


By Debbie Gleason (CCAL30) (2543), Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:20:08 PST
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Wandering around. That's a lot of what I do. I probably seem inconsistent to people, but, truth is, I either get overwhelmed or bored. I'd rather distribute positive points than to open my mouth and remove all doubt to my ignorance.

Some day I hope that you'll teach me Hillbilly-Eubonics. Naturally I'll have to add a yiddishe twist to that. After all these years, I can still hear that East Texan drawl of my mother's cousins. So I think I come by that honestly.

PS: I think you are adorable.


By RicHARD ~The Anointed One~ Makepeace (CCAL30) (2360), Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:40:06 PST
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Debbie Gleason said:

Wandering around. That's a lot of what I do. I probably seem inconsistent to people, but, truth is, I either get overwhelmed or bored. I'd rather distribute positive points than to open my mouth and remove all doubt to my ignorance.

Some day I hope that you'll teach me Hillbilly-Eubonics. Naturally I'll have to add a yiddishe twist to that. After all these years, I can still hear that East Texan drawl of my mother's cousins. So I think I come by that honestly.

PS: I think you are adorable.

I have that same wandering around nature. I don't think I am bored or overwhelmed, I just think it is my nature.

In school, they started to call me "hyperactive," but I ran away before they could give me medication.

How adorable is that? Did I sound like that cooking lady?


By Debbie Gleason (CCAL30) (2543), Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:52:31 PST
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I was more of a daydreamer than a wanderer. Now online it's some of each.

Sigh. I still think you're adorable. You have your better moments when you are very endearing.


By RicHARD ~The Anointed One~ Makepeace (CCAL30) (2360), Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:24:37 PST
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Debbie Gleason said:

I was more of a daydreamer than a wanderer. Now online it's some of each.

Sigh. I still think you're adorable. You have your better moments when you are very endearing.

I can't help being adorable; it's a horrid fault; I pray you will not hold it against me. AND I do nto use the P-word lightly.


By Jan Benet~Love~Vincent (CCAL30) (2769), Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:12:35 PST
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RicH... RicH...RicH..... How can we help but to love you? You are "REAL" and Brad is so right about a talk show . . . Either that or write a book and make some money!

Funny thing that this all started out about "Appreciation". While I was away, I began feeling that I might have become an ingrate in life and so I started writing an Appreciation Journal. (One of the things I listed was OMIDYAR.NET because of THE FRIENDS I HAD TO CONVERSE WITH and one of these days I'll meet some of you face to face...That will be cool!

To you Richard Sacred & ProPane Makepeace . . . I have to say, "Thanks for adding to my life" And just for the record: RicHard Never Uses Profanity MakePeace isn't manipulation (LOL)- - - It's defiance or plain 'ole Harassment.

With kind thoughts! ~Jan~


By Harry Lime (CCAL30) (1024), Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:16:47 PST
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"Talk show"?: do a podcast RicH :)

It's not that hard to do.

(omidyar should have a podcast section)


By Page Trygstad (465), Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:57:33 PST
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Thank the Universe there was no funny shit in this. Too much funny stuff is not good for us. We gotta be mo serious!


By ~Diane T.~ (CCAL30) (721), Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:41:58 PST
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[Deleted by author on 20 Feb 2007 14:46 PST: I will email Richard, I do NOT enjoy profanity, hope he will be considerate....]

By ~Diane T.~ (CCAL30) (721), Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:31:50 PST
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I am so glad people in this thread have such a fantastic sense of humor. After I read 2 profane words, I stopped reading....

Thank you Richard for reminding me to articulate a couple of my aspirations for the Appreciation Project. Since I don't have the time now to go in detail, I'll just limit myself to three points:

  1. It is my hope that we model good Appreciation English(tm) in our Appreciation Project, so people around the world can learn from our conversations in English here. Good humor and errors are OK since we know most people simply dash off their thoughts without editing and errors can be corrected later.

However, I challenge you to find the kindest, most beautiful, loving, poetic, courteous, respectful and maybe eughemistic words (inoffensive terms) to express your feelings and frustrations. Anyone can use profanity, it takes patience and creativity to reach for the next higher thought to express ourselves. I know you can still be humerous and say it more mysteriously like XXXX instead.

  1. It is my hope our Appreciation Board(tm) will offer viewers healing energy which are thoughts and words which are more gentle, loving and/or with good humor as an alternative to common negative macho words which have negative impact undermining our joy and well-being.

Only by keeping our Appreciationzone(tm) at a high loving level will the space be helpful and valuable to those who are chronically sick, depressed and many people who are less fortunate in order to shift their thinking and undo their suffering.

  1. In general, I do not like rules because all of us can be more creative and spontaneous with less rules and less bureaucratic red tape. However, in order to do this, we need all participants to be very considerate and responsible in their choice of words and postings so that we can maintain high standards of excellence without disempowering words mixed in.

Since we are committed to joy, friendship and prosperity for our participants, all words used in the Appreciation project should be suitable for use in an international business context. Then the viewers will know they are learning useful English which could be used in their business conversations without offending anyone.

I will recommend that this point be considered as a non-negotiable term because of our aspiration to create the very high educational and healing benefits for our viewers.

Thank you very much for your cooperation. I appreciate your talent for good humor and I believe you have the ability to bring a lot of spice, variety and interest to our project space. You were able to bring in people who have not participated before, so some people do enjoy your good humor and unique style!

Did you say you are typing with 1 or 2 fingers and maybe toes? You mentioned you worked on this a long time. Thanks so much for your extraordinary efforts to write almost a thesis on the subject! I know you have a good heart and quite a unique sense of humor!

(updated 2-20-07)


By Eddie S. (CCAL30) (62), Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:18:38 PST
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I understand this is a positive appreciation project area, so let's keep giving positive feedback to people in this appreciation project.


By Debbie Gleason (CCAL30) (2543), Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:47:59 PST
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Diane,

I don't think you intended this, but I don't like being lectured to. I just left a situation because I felt overwhelmingly pressured to "make nice." I wanna be me, and appreciated for being me. That doesn't mean going out of my way to offend other people, but it does mean freedom to express myself as I see fit. If I had a choice between people in the raw and people who are refined but inaunthentic, I would choose the cruder individual. Why? Because I know where I stand with someone like that. I am not one for polite society because I do not always want to feel as if I need to watch myself. And this is a way more measured response than my immediate reaction to your high falutin' rhetoric.


By Debbie Gleason (CCAL30) (2543), Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:57:27 PST
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You wanna know why I appreciate RicHie so much? He doesn't take any shit from me. He also accepts ME and loves ME regardless of whether I am behaving well. If I am working on some interior shit, he doesn't ever judge ME. Whatever is going on with me at a given time, I never get lectured or chided. He offers support. Might not be what I want, but usually the boy's heart is in the right place.

Can take me out, but you can't dress me. No, wait. You can take me out to dinner, but I am still gonna be a sow's ear.


By Gayle Rogers (Australia) (456), Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:13:37 PST
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~Diane T.~ said:

Since we are committed to joy, friendship and prosperity for our participants, all words used in the Appreciation project should be suitable for use in an international business context. Then the viewers will know they are learning useful English which could be used in their business conversations without offending anyone.

I will recommend that this point be considered as a non-negotiable term because of our aspiration to create the very high educational and healing benefits for our viewers.

Thank you very much for your cooperation. I appreciate your talent for good humor and I believe you have the ability to bring a lot of spice, variety and interest to our project space. You were able to bring in people who have not participated before, so some people do enjoy your good humor and unique style!

Oh this just went too far for me ..... WAY TOO FAR!

I think the Appreciation Project has produced some wonderful, genuinely felt and expressed posts - and I've been the recipient of a couple that have made me feel very loved, adored and appreciated.

For me - as I wrote in my only post on the Appreciation Blog - I felt more comfortable expressing my appreciation privately (particularly for people I love deeply) and in the manner I have always done .... on the spot and the minute I think of it. (which is a frequent event with me)

I believe the emotional, psychological and physical benefits of being aware, awake and appreciative of what you have in your life are vast and unquestionable and the flow-on effect to others has great potential.

But it is starting to feel like this whole Appreciation "Project" has crossed a sacred (!) line and is now starting to feel and read more like dogma, doctrine or formulaic direction.

There is a tone developing that suggests there is a correct and incorrect way of expressing fundamentally personal views, loves and blessings ...... and that smacks of censorship; of an attempt at "crowd control"; of thinly-veiled judgement.

And I can think of very few things I am less appreciative of.


By Gayle Rogers (Australia) (456), Thu, 22 Feb 2007 04:52:14 PST
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I appreciate, understand, value and uphold FREEDOM .... of:

  • Speech
  • Thought
  • Conscience
  • Movement
  • Expression
  • Debate
  • Spirituality
  • Love
  • Individuality
  • Creativity
  • Union
  • Service
  • Dissent

By ~Diane T.~ (CCAL30) (721), Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:47:59 PST
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Debbie Gleason said:

Diane,

I don't think you intended this, but I don't like being lectured to. I just left a situation because I felt overwhelmingly pressured to "make nice." I wanna be me, and appreciated for being me. That doesn't mean going out of my way to offend other people, but it does mean freedom to express myself as I see fit. If I had a choice between people in the raw and people who are refined but inaunthentic, I would choose the cruder individual. Why? Because I know where I stand with someone like that. I am not one for polite society because I do not always want to feel as if I need to watch myself. And this is a way more measured response than my immediate reaction to your high falutin' rhetoric.

To Debbie,

I understand you are making a statement and giving an explanation for your preference. I agree with you and I probably also enjoy being the same way, just say it like I feel like saying it, and most of the time I do just that especially when I am in a nonprofit community space.

However, there are other values we had in mind and it is related to self-empowerment and self-management. When a coaching client of our coaching practice comes for help because she is very depressed, she lost her job, her spouse and children left her, and she really does not know why. She is sincere in wanting to have different outcomes in her life. Therefore this exercise is one of the ways for her to remember to re-focus her attention.

The body does not know the difference between what is real outside objectively and what is real because of one's perception and what is held in mind. The body will experience it as the same. Therefore if we wish to be happy, it is easier to change the way we think about something like the weather, than to change the weather itself.

One of the exercises a client may try is to practice THINKING and focusing a different way about anything since that is the real cause of how she is depressing herself and alienating everyone around her. Instead of unconsciously making everyone wrong, disagreeing with everybody to be right, etc. it is helpful for the client to reach for the next better feeling thought, to make a different assumption, and to think of what she can find to appreciate instead.

Sometimes by speaking and acting in a different way consistently, our subconscious gradually get the message. It is working from outside in, as well as working from inside out. Therefore if people wish to just vent and say whatever they feel like, in some spaces that is OK. That is why we sponsor the ventingzones(tm) where people can complain and be as negative as they wish for their own healing purposes.

However, the key is to do what is appropriate for the given space or game. If it is a Halloween night, you can go in any witch costume. If it is a business donor reception where we are here to thank our clients, we have the higher purpose of providing healing and appreciative energy to those who made it possible for us to do what we love to do as our work. It is only fair for us to reciprocate and return some of the energy they give to us by trusting us.

So if a person cannot sincerely appreciate anyone, that is OK. They do not have to do so unless they wish to stretch and make a different choice to try thinking differently and therefore experience different and happier outcomes in their lives.

It is good to become aware of what is possible for human beings to become so they know where they can focus their attention instead. It is like playing basketball, maybe it is a good idea to first figure out where is the "basketball loop" i.e. what are we trying to accomplish? Do we want to be happier and healthier? We have that power to choose to appreciate and we will experience a different world of abundance if we persist with appreciation over time.

My associates and I prefer as our friends and business associates those who have the capacity to be appreciative, kind, generous, understanding, able and willing to see the best in each other, forgiving, trusting, and have other qualities associated with saints and immortals. That is our aspiration for ourselves and our friends.

Based on scientific research we know it is directly related to the mental and physical health so that is why we have create this exercise space to encourage more people to improve their ability to appreciate themselves and others.

We do not expect perfection in the beginning. In fact we know it will feel awkward if they have not done it before, but that is the process of development. Thanks for sharing your comments.


By ~Diane T.~ (CCAL30) (721), Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:02:05 PST
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Gayle Rogers (Australia) said:

~Diane T.~ said:

Since we are committed to joy, friendship and prosperity for our participants, all words used in the Appreciation project should be suitable for use in an international business context. Then the viewers will know they are learning useful English which could be used in their business conversations without offending anyone.

I will recommend that this point be considered as a non-negotiable term because of our aspiration to create the very high educational and healing benefits for our viewers.

Thank you very much for your cooperation. I appreciate your talent for good humor and I believe you have the ability to bring a lot of spice, variety and interest to our project space. You were able to bring in people who have not participated before, so some people do enjoy your good humor and unique style!

Oh this just went too far for me ..... WAY TOO FAR!

I think the Appreciation Project has produced some wonderful, genuinely felt and expressed posts - and I've been the recipient of a couple that have made me feel very loved, adored and appreciated.

For me - as I wrote in my only post on the Appreciation Blog - I felt more comfortable expressing my appreciation privately (particularly for people I love deeply) and in the manner I have always done .... on the spot and the minute I think of it. (which is a frequent event with me)

I believe the emotional, psychological and physical benefits of being aware, awake and appreciative of what you have in your life are vast and unquestionable and the flow-on effect to others has great potential.

But it is starting to feel like this whole Appreciation "Project" has crossed a sacred (!) line and is now starting to feel and read more like dogma, doctrine or formulaic direction.

There is a tone developing that suggests there is a correct and incorrect way of expressing fundamentally personal views, loves and blessings ...... and that smacks of censorship; of an attempt at "crowd control"; of thinly-veiled judgement.

And I can think of very few things I am less appreciative of.

To Gayle,

Thanks for sharing your impressions. There is space in this world for different preferences. There are lots of spaces for people with your preferences.

For our healing clients those with heart attack and cancer, they could not find any online space for very nurturing healing energy which would remind them and inspire them to heal themselves by thinking different thoughts than the thoughts that made them sick in the first place.

Therefore that is our priority concern and objective. Like President Abraham Lincoln said, we can only go by our conscience because no matter what we do people may criticize and disagree. In the end, the beneficial results and outcomes will be obvious to all.

There are already scientific evidence available for people who want to do more than simply express their opinions to educate themselves on how to be truly helpful to make this a better world.

Not everyone have the intention and dedication to be truly helpful to humanity. It is more comfortable for people to say and do whatever they feel like. And that is OK in certain spaces. And there are many good spaces for doing just that.

No one is required to participate in the Appreciation Project. It is strictly volunteer and it is strictly for people who accept our healing objectives and accept the parameters and guidelines to achieving our main objectives of providing an alternative healing space online when people do not want their mental or physical health to gradually deteriorate due to the negative impact of what is now available free in the press and online. Thanks!


By ~Diane T.~ (CCAL30) (721), Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:39:15 PST
Edited: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:50:48 PST
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Richard,

It seems a more suitable role for you is just to be yourself in doing what you said a leader should do in your comments. We know no such leaders of the type you describe who believe as you do.

For people who are unhappy about the outcomes in their lives, and wish to talk about it, we call that area our ventingzones@gmail.com area, or our coaching services area and our miscellaneous discussion areas.

Each area has a specific purpose. AppreciationBoard is mainly for expressions of appreciation. I understand many people cannot sincerely appreciate anyone and they do NOT need to post anything.

No one is required to participate. However there are many people who can benefit from having this dedicated safe space to acknowledge and appreciate others and also to be aware that there are other wonderful people in the community even if there are no such people in their own life. The postings on the AppreciationBoard(tm) give them hope and reason to live and not try to die instead through chronic illnesses.

The ventingzones(tm) are for people who need to complain, release their their gripes and emotional baggage from last life. You seem to be very tolerant and kind and suitable to be such a leader in this type of project instead.

The discussion areas can be for any discussion on any topic people wish to get feedback on. If it is not related to the topic of appreciation, it can be another discussion topic in Omidyar and outside of the appreciation project.

Therefore, unless you are interested in being part of a BACKSTAGE crew and are willing and interested in being coached backstage (by email) and you are humble enough to consider some changes in some of your current opinions to be more suitable for what we believe will be needed for project leaders of the Archway PingPong Games, otherwise, let's just limit our engagement to play together in your comfort zones.

The Sunday evening chat space is the first step for training future leaders for the Archway PingPong game and is suitable for those who are serious about doing appreciations as an approach to their personal growth. These people are tested to see if they are ready and willing to learn what is involved if they wish to sign up for our leadership and management pre-coaching through tough initiation exercises to pre-qualify themselves, test their readiness to change, and test their commitment and suitability to serve a higher purpose and thus realize their highest potential for serving humanity.

Through decades of research we concluded some words and behavior are more beneficial to hold in mind than ignorant opinions which do not work for them. Most of our intensive weekly projects are only for people interested in change and personal growth. They are for people smart enough to choose to benefit from the research findings and pioneering applications and are willing to invest their volunteer time to empower themselves through participation in the process.

Unless you are interested in playing given these pre-conditions, there is no need to participate further in the game. Many people who are not inclined to accept these pre-conditions at this time, for all of us, it may be better to wait until there is a change either in attitudes, commitments or circumstances.

Thank you for your comments. Please give reasons for your opinions or comments so we understand the context your comments are meaningful and useful. It has been good to know you and given how you think, you are very entertaining and humerous.

I just do not know if you are open to change to serve a different role and purpose. I do not know if you wish to debate the opinions you have that I do not agree with in public. To do so I need to be reassured you will not take any disagreement personally, you will not be defensive, you will not try to be "right" or stubborn, you will not be embarrassed if you turn out to be wrong in theory or fact or for certain context and you will forgive me for this will be very rough on your pride and feelings. Thanks for being a lovable you!


By Debbie Gleason (CCAL30) (2543), Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:30:35 PST
Edited: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:36:10 PST
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Diane,

I skimmed your lecture. I do not feel it is appropriate for you to enter someone's personal news and make other people uncomfortable. I don't feel accepted by you, and I can tell you that others share my views.

I am kind, generous and very loving. It's a shame that you cannot see that. When you engage with me in a way that gets my back up, I am not going to respond so well. Simple as that. It feels as if you are coming into someone's home, ie, RicHARD's personal news, and attempting to censor us. We behave with and around RicHARD in a way that we wouldn't behave elsewhere. We have come to expect that we can let our hair down here. We are not meeting with you as professionals in a professional environment. Besides, it feels to me as if you are essentially saying that your way and the way of your colleauges is the ONLY want. I don't cotton too well to that. There are all kinds of ways to express love or compassion. We all come from different walks of life and from different educational backgrounds. I don't care a damn what private exchanges you and RicHARD have. That doesn't affect me or others. But you coming in here like this is a huge violation of space. RicHARD will likely disagree. But I prefer to have my safe havens intact, and you, ma'am, are like a bull in china shop, with no regard for the inmates. You approach me with respect and then I am likely to respond in kind. 'Til then I don't see any further reason to engage with you.

Incidentally, this is very restrained for me. RicHARD can tell you just how restrained. Frankly, I am apppalled by how presumptuous you are.


By Page Trygstad (465), Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:49:00 PST
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Actually I quite appreciate how Diane has choosen to come out of the closet and display the true motivations and attitudes that she maintains. ;>)


By Debbie Gleason (CCAL30) (2543), Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:39:53 PST
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Thanks for being you, Page. ;^*


By RicHARD ~The Anointed One~ Makepeace (CCAL30) (2360), Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:23:04 PST
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~Jan Benet Vincent~ said:

RicH... RicH...RicH..... How can we help but to love you? You are "REAL" and Brad is so right about a talk show . . . Either that or write a book and make some money!

Funny thing that this all started out about "Appreciation". While I was away, I began feeling that I might have become an ingrate in life and so I started writing an Appreciation Journal. (One of the things I listed was OMIDYAR.NET because of THE FRIENDS I HAD TO CONVERSE WITH and one of these days I'll meet some of you face to face...That will be cool!

To you Richard Sacred & ProPane Makepeace . . . I have to say, "Thanks for adding to my life" And just for the record: RicHard Never Uses Profanity MakePeace isn't manipulation (LOL)- - - It's defiance or plain 'ole Harassment.

With kind thoughts! ~Jan~

I can't believe that you started an Appreciation Journal while you were away. What a coincidence. It is all of US who should be appreciating you. Thankx for the kind words. I consider myself blessed to be able to "add to your life."

Even though I don't know what I added. Kisses, R


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